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Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:31 am GMT by MrDarling
Full Tilt Poker Game #2305945285: Table Moradi (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:12:29 ET - 2007/04/28
Seat 1: hero ($26.85)
Seat 2: EYEZ2LO ($22.85)
Seat 3: __Acehole888__ ($24.75)
Seat 4: corbinair ($25.35)
Seat 5: biginjapan87 ($25)
Seat 6: Plink769 ($26.70), is sitting out
EYEZ2LO posts the small blind of $0.10
__Acehole888__ posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
corbinair raises to $0.50
biginjapan87 folds
hero raises to $1.70
__Acehole888__ stands up
EYEZ2LO calls $1.60
__Acehole888__ folds
corbinair calls $1.20
*** FLOP ***   
EYEZ2LO bets $1
corbinair calls $1
hero raises to $3.50
EYEZ2LO folds
corbinair calls $2.50
*** TURN *** 
corbinair checks
hero bets $9
corbinair calls $9
*** RIVER *** 
corbinair checks
hero bets $9
corbinair raises to $11.15, and is all in
hero calls $2.15
The results are pretty obvious or I wouldn't have posted this. By the turn I decided I pay up if he have Quads. However, do I need to pay with my stack or should I slow it down? He could have add any other pair, and by the river I was prying he had AK.
Maybe check behind on river?
I used to play like that, but I think checking behind on the river I lose value to all other pocket pairs, and to AK...
thoughts?
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Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:23 am GMT by Jauron
I think the river makes this pretty easy at these levels.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:58 am GMT by MrDarling
| Jauron wrote: | | I think the river makes this pretty easy at these levels. |
Easy what?
check behind on the river or what?
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:23 pm GMT by exit music
I recall everyone making fun of Jennifer Tilly when she checked the 2nd nuts behind Patrick Antonius on the river - the situation isn't exactly the same, but you do have the 2nd nuts.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:36 pm GMT by Kalbelgarion
You'd have to be very conservative and passive to check behind him on the turn, but on the river I'm putting all my money in every time. If he flopped quads to beat your eventual 2nd nut boat, he deserves your money.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:14 pm GMT by Iron Butt
| MrDarling wrote: | | Jauron wrote: | | I think the river makes this pretty easy at these levels. |
Easy what?
check behind on the river or what? |
I think he meant the river K means you're now beating AA. (?)
Yeah, I go broke (and have) there too, lotta worse hands are gonna call you, have to bet. River ace might've saved you, huh?
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:40 am GMT by gumbie
I check behind here.
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:31 am GMT by kingetje
^^ Hahahahaa.... you're joking right?
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:21 am GMT by gumbie
Not at all.
It's a check and the K on the river means it isn't even a close decision.
Of course this is assuming our opponent has at least half a brain.
If we think our opponent has less than half a brain we should just be all in pre-flop.
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:45 am GMT by kingetje
our opponent has checked 3 times.... he has $11 left. we have the second nuts. YOU PUT HIM ON A JACK?????
i am really not trying to be an a**hole but that is seriously F'ed up
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:37 pm GMT by gumbie
He is going to have a jack more than half the times he calls.
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:47 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I see only two hands that make sense here: AA and Jx. Nothing else calls $9 on the turn.
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:14 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I've met plenty of people at 25NL who would probably not fold pocket fives on the turn.
Just my 0.02$
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:20 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Just my 0.02$ |
I'd call .02 with 55 too. 
Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:09 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | I see only two hands that make sense here: AA and Jx. Nothing else calls $9 on the turn. |
QQ might, but that's about it for other possibilities. And then the river doesn't make much sense.
If the guy is smart, AJ is probably the only Jack he has here out of position. And if the guy isn't smart, of course I'm putting all my money in here.
That river check-raise is so strong, but so unseemly, too. I would think that with most of your stack invested, he might just push into you, thinking that you're going to check behind with any worse hand anyway.
I just don't think it's possible at 25NL to give this guy exactly 4 Jacks. The K on the river probably means that I'm pushing, too. I don't agree that he has us beat 50%+ of the time. Not at 25NL. Tame is right; he can be calling with any pair up to the river, but the river bet probably means he has something better than a small pair. Just too hard to know what exactly he has to justify checking second nuts behind in 25NL IMO.
Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:26 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, once he c/r I was pretty sure he had J's . But I don't think any one will fold a $50 pot for $2..
Like stated, any pair that call until the river will call the river bet regardless of the scare card that comes. If it was an A - there is a chance a smaller pair will not call. At least if it was an A - I could have checked behind.
I use to check behind my strong hands way too much and lose a lot of value. Am still not sure what is the right move in THIS case in $25NL
Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:21 am GMT by gumbie
MrD please move up so I can answer you questions.
I mean, you ask a question and the correct answer appears to be "It's NL25 your opponent could have anything". So why bother?
Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:43 am GMT by MrDarling
Good point.
Tell me this , How would you play this in $100NL and up?
Do you check behind turn fold to a river bet?
How would you play Q's had you been Villain?
How would you play AK had you been villain - and planning on taking it by the river?
Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:01 am GMT by gumbie
Needless to say I still believe in your spot I would have checked behind  .
I would have checked behind on the turn and called any bet on the river.
QQ as villain I check raise all-in on flop
OR check call and see what u do on turn.
OR check fold flop.
Which I do will depend on how I see you.
AK as villain I probably fold preflop and most definitely fold flop.
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