Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:09 am GMT by MrDarling
I picked the term from that other forum, so am not sure if it is a poker term or not
The way I understand it, floating is calling the flop c-bet in position with intention of attempting to take the pot on later streets.
I recently started to experiment with it and it can work great.
You have to be very careful against who you do it to.
You can't float people who marry UI AKo
You can't float people who will not fold any pocket pair.
Basically you can only float decent players.
This is how it works :
Say MP raises to 4XBB and you decide to call with JTs
flop is : Q62 rainbow. He c-bet. Not you think there is a good chance the flop missed him. So you call.
Now, if he check to you on a blank turn, you may attempt to stab at the pot (1/2 - 3/4 should be enough) if he calls or raise you're done with the hand.
To experiment against who you can float, I usually do this with outs or some kind of a hand.
For example lets say in the above the flop is    you've got a gut draw and a backdoor flush. Barely 5.5 outs. His c-bet certainly does not give you odds to call. But here is a good spot to try the float. If he bet again on the turn, and you are UI it should be an easy fold.
Sometimes, while floating you can back into a real hand :
just today I played with someone I know I can float. He raised 4XBB I called with 4's.
Flop was KT2 rainbow (or something like that) he bet, but too small. Felt to me like he missed. So I called.
He checked the turn. I bet half the pot and he called.
The river was the magic 4. He checked, I value bet. Dude had AK.
Either he was trying to trap or more likely was trying to keep the pot small with 1 pair. Had the 4 didn't arrive I would have checked behind on the river.
I do it very rarely. The condition have to be just right for me to do it.
Also, I think this might work best in 6 max where people Pf raising range is much wider.
Any thoughts recommendations?
Danny
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Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:56 am GMT by tame_deuces
My advice would be to not do it very rarely, do it quite abit. Floating is a cheap, easy and effective way of picking off weak players. And its fun too, when you see Mr. Nitty go in the tank for the third time in 3 minutes and still they check/fold.
And its a widespread poker term.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:58 am GMT by MrDarling
How do you battle a floater?
I tried firing a 2nd bullet, but then I often encounter those excellent players who wont fold 3rdPWK too often.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:38 am GMT by MrDarling
btw , cheap?
when you play 100XBB the 20-30XBB c-bet is not that cheap IMO:
Maybe I'm just cheap, I'm still upset when I call raises with SC and miss 
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:52 am GMT by khaosanroad
I also like doing it if the turn completes a flush even if I don't have that flush. I will often float if I have position and I can possibly catch runner runner flush.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:47 pm GMT by exit music
Floating is crucial in 6-max, if you don't try to float people now and again, you will be sooooo easy to read it's not even funny - and to give perspective, I'll probably make around 1-3 floats per 100 hands, give or take - depending on table image and recent hands won, ect. If you are running cold/card-dead you are in optimal floating territory - if you have won a couple big pots recently you will be a little bit less likely to get away with a float.
For the record, if you are considering floating, you might be better off to just raise instead of call... you can go ahead and think about why.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:07 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| MrDarling wrote: | How do you battle a floater?
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If you _want_ to battle a floater, you can just C/R turn.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:17 pm GMT by snoogins47
| tame_deuces wrote: | | MrDarling wrote: | How do you battle a floater?
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If you _want_ to battle a floater, you can just C/R turn. |
You pretty much don't. If somebody floats every hand, that's a different story, but if you're against somebody who has the potential to float some percentage of the time, picking spots well, and will also flat-call with hands too... well I hope you can pick up more of a read on him, otherwise it's totally a guessing game.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:33 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Pretty much what I meant, but my oneliner sounded so cool when I wrote it.
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:38 pm GMT by snoogins47
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Pretty much what I meant, but my oneliner sounded so cool when I wrote it. |
Yeah but I absolutely will not allow brevity if I can help it.
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:36 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, after few attempts I pretty much realize that I have to let those UI AK go...
Though once or twice when I was a little steaming and pushed the river they did eventhoughly fold. Of course, once or twice they also called with their pocket 8's when the board was QT37Q or something ....
Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:56 am GMT by Phil14312
First rule about floating club: you don't talk about floating club.
Do it, learn it well and you can absolutely destroy some weak tighties. The best is when you do it for five hands the last orbit, then flop a set and watch the fireworks go off on the turn.
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