Posted Wed May 02, 2007 2:35 am GMT by MrDarling
Do you practice them?
In 6max this happen often enough to be a big leak or missing value ...
When I'm in the BB and it is folded to SB who just complete. I'll probably raise often if there is no bad history. (70% of the times) and c-bet the flop.
how ever how do you fight them from the SB. I usually fold most crap hands, seeing no real profit in risking a couple of blinds for 1 BB. How ever when I have a half decent hand against a blind protector I'm lost.
Say I raise with AKo and he calls. Do I give it up UI? Blinds protectors will often call PF raise and flop bet with as much as K high, so for ME its hard to tell if I'm ahead or not. If I check to them, they will most likely bet.
Same goes for small pairs.
Help?
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Posted Wed May 02, 2007 3:53 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Quote: | | When I'm in the BB and it is folded to SB who just complete. I'll probably raise often if there is no bad history. (70% of the times) and c-bet the flop. |
That's probably fine, and it will contribute to you getting walks in the BB a lot more, which is always nice. The only way this can turn bad is if you are CB'ing too much or too frequently. When you're in position, you should almost never try to turn down an opportunity to play a slightly bigger pot if you play the flop as well as or better than your opponent.
| Quote: | | how ever how do you fight them from the SB. I usually fold most crap hands, seeing no real profit in risking a couple of blinds for 1 BB. How ever when I have a half decent hand against a blind protector I'm lost. |
There is no shame folding the SB, even with good pot odds, because the reverse implied odds of being OOP are big. Phil Laak actually explained a good extrinsic reason for it; against observant opponents, it can dramatically change your image and make you look like a weak-tight nit; he called it "squeezer equity." Dumping crap hands in the small blind can save a LOT of money. I know this even without Poker Tracker, but people who do have it will recognize that they are frequently losing a lot from the SB.
| Quote: | Blinds protectors will often call PF raise and flop bet with as much as K high, so for ME its hard to tell if I'm ahead or not. If I check to them, they will most likely bet.
Same goes for small pairs.
Help? |
The remedy to that is the same as I mentioned in the first part, only in reverse. Against players who CB the flop too often, you should frequently check-raise, sometimes with air. Precisely how often depends entirely on your opponent. In fact, I sometimes will limp with a big Ace in hopes of concealing my hand (although against someone who has a free look, you usually don't want to play a big pot with one pair, but you would like some value out of a hand like AK). Then it's much easier to dump if you flop air.
Posted Wed May 02, 2007 5:42 am GMT by MrDarling
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | ..Phil Laak actually explained a good extrinsic reason for it; against observant opponents, it can dramatically change your image and make you look like a weak-tight nit; he called it "squeezer equity." |
Funny, I do this often in S&G's .
I'll give the BB a walk and the next hand if its folded to me on the BTN I almost always raise. A guy who just folded for half a BB can't be stealing, right?
Posted Wed May 02, 2007 4:10 pm GMT by exit music
I haven't read the above replies yet, but in 6-max, here's how I handle blind vs blinds kinda.
When in the SB and it folds around the table:
with a hand like A8+ I will raise purely for value, with hands like Ax, I will just call as long as my opponent isn't scared to bet - ie. if he isn't a rock. You usually earn a couple extra BB if you slowplay your ace-rags if you ever flop top pair. With random Broadway/unsuited gappers like   or   I will often just limp in becuase it will disguise the strength of your hand and if you hit a good pair it will probably be the best hand. With the medium/low strength hands like   or anything in a similar range - probably down to hands as bad as   - I'll always raise, just hoping to take the pot. When you get called, go ahead and instantly fire a good continuation bet - and if you don't have a draw and get called/raised, just go ahead and fold and be happy because you went from being a nit, to having an aggressive/loose table image. Fold the absolute trash - say   or worse.
In the BB, if SB limps, I will raise with any 2 cards, although I might check if I have a decent hand like K10.
In both of these situations, I will usually slowplay QQ+, although never slowplay AK or JJ from the SB/BB
Posted Wed May 02, 2007 4:20 pm GMT by AHBrownell
| Quote: | | I'll give the BB a walk and the next hand if its folded to me on the BTN I almost always raise. A guy who just folded for half a BB can't be stealing, right? |
I do this too! I think there is something to making ppl notice that you are folding in the SB/BB by taking longer to fold, and then raising on one of the next few hands with junk. Unless they pick up a monster they will generally give you credit and fold.
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