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Good Laydown?



Posted Thu May 03, 2007 1:55 pm GMT by davepoker
Full Tilt Poker Game #2343426660: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:49:37 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (2,340)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,410)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,950)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,740)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,050)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,080)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,420)
Seat 9: david71884 (2,510)
david71884 posts the small blind of 20
renorman053 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Jack of HeartsJack of Clubs
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 folds
bklynriz raises to 140
silverfoxx666 has 15 seconds left to act
silverfoxx666 raises to 1,000
TKE888 folds
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 folds
bklynriz raises to 1,740, and is all in
silverfoxx666 calls 50, and is all in


Ill post results later

heres the previous hand history
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Jack of DiamondsThree of Hearts
goodgrief62 calls 30
bklynriz folds
silverfoxx666 calls 30
TKE888 folds
littlenico2000 calls 30
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 calls 15
no1ucare checks
*** FLOP *** Three of DiamondsAce of SpadesAce of Clubs
renorman053 checks
no1ucare checks
goodgrief62 checks
silverfoxx666 checks
littlenico2000 checks
*** TURN *** Three of DiamondsAce of SpadesAce of Clubs Six of Hearts
renorman053 checks
no1ucare checks
goodgrief62 checks
silverfoxx666 checks
littlenico2000 checks
*** RIVER *** Three of DiamondsAce of SpadesAce of ClubsSix of Hearts Five of Spades
renorman053 checks
no1ucare checks
goodgrief62 checks
silverfoxx666 checks
littlenico2000 bets 30
renorman053 folds
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 folds
silverfoxx666 folds
Uncalled bet of 30 returned to littlenico2000
littlenico2000 mucks
littlenico2000 wins the pot (150)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150 | Rake 0
Board: Three of DiamondsAce of SpadesAce of ClubsSix of HeartsFive of Spades
Seat 1: renorman053 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: no1ucare (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: goodgrief62 folded on the River
Seat 4: bklynriz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 folded on the River
Seat 6: TKE888 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 collected (150), mucked
Seat 8: vito4869 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: david71884 (button) didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343390388: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:42:25 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,470)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,470)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,470)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,500)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,470)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,500)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (1,620)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,500)
Seat 9: david71884 (1,500)
no1ucare posts the small blind of 15
goodgrief62 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Nine of ClubsSeven of Spades
bklynriz folds
silverfoxx666 calls 30
TKE888 folds
littlenico2000 calls 30
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 calls 30
no1ucare calls 15
goodgrief62 checks
*** FLOP *** Three of SpadesAce of ClubsTen of Spades
no1ucare checks
goodgrief62 checks
silverfoxx666 checks
littlenico2000 checks
renorman053 bets 30
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 folds
silverfoxx666 folds
littlenico2000 folds
Uncalled bet of 30 returned to renorman053
renorman053 mucks
renorman053 wins the pot (150)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150 | Rake 0
Board: Three of SpadesAce of ClubsTen of Spades
Seat 1: renorman053 (button) collected (150), mucked
Seat 2: no1ucare (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: bklynriz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: TKE888 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: vito4869 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: david71884 didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343394294: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:43:11 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,590)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,440)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,440)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,500)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,440)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,500)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (1,590)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,500)
Seat 9: david71884 (1,500)
goodgrief62 posts the small blind of 15
bklynriz posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Four of ClubsAce of Diamonds
silverfoxx666 folds
TKE888 calls 30
littlenico2000 raises to 60
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 folds
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 folds
bklynriz folds
TKE888 calls 30
*** FLOP *** Six of ClubsSix of SpadesEight of Clubs
TKE888 checks
littlenico2000 bets 120
TKE888 folds
Uncalled bet of 120 returned to littlenico2000
littlenico2000 mucks
littlenico2000 wins the pot (165)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 165 | Rake 0
Board: Six of ClubsSix of SpadesEight of Clubs
Seat 1: renorman053 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: no1ucare (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: bklynriz (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: TKE888 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: littlenico2000 collected (165), mucked
Seat 8: vito4869 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: david71884 didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343397566: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:43:51 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,590)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,440)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,425)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,470)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,440)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,440)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (1,695)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,500)
Seat 9: david71884 (1,500)
bklynriz posts the small blind of 15
silverfoxx666 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Five of SpadesTen of Spades
TKE888 calls 30
littlenico2000 calls 30
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 folds
no1ucare calls 30
goodgrief62 calls 30
bklynriz raises to 210
silverfoxx666 folds
TKE888 calls 180
littlenico2000 calls 180
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 folds
*** FLOP *** Ten of HeartsSeven of HeartsKing of Diamonds
bklynriz bets 340
TKE888 folds
littlenico2000 folds
Uncalled bet of 340 returned to bklynriz
bklynriz mucks
bklynriz wins the pot (720)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 720 | Rake 0
Board: Ten of HeartsSeven of HeartsKing of Diamonds
Seat 1: renorman053 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: no1ucare folded before the Flop
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: bklynriz (small blind) collected (720), mucked
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: TKE888 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: littlenico2000 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: vito4869 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: david71884 didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343401639: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:44:40 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,590)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,410)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,395)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,980)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,410)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,230)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (1,485)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,500)
Seat 9: david71884 (1,500)
silverfoxx666 posts the small blind of 15
TKE888 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Ten of ClubsAce of Spades
littlenico2000 calls 30
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 folds
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 calls 30
bklynriz folds
silverfoxx666 folds
TKE888 checks
*** FLOP *** Jack of SpadesQueen of HeartsAce of Hearts
TKE888 checks
littlenico2000 bets 30
goodgrief62 raises to 195
TKE888 folds
littlenico2000 folds
Uncalled bet of 165 returned to goodgrief62
goodgrief62 mucks
goodgrief62 wins the pot (165)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 165 | Rake 0
Board: Jack of SpadesQueen of HeartsAce of Hearts
Seat 1: renorman053 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: no1ucare didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 collected (165), mucked
Seat 4: bklynriz (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: TKE888 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: littlenico2000 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: vito4869 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: david71884 didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343404200: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:45:11 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,590)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,410)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,500)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,980)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,395)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,200)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (1,425)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,500)
Seat 9: david71884 (1,500)
TKE888 posts the small blind of 15
littlenico2000 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Jack of DiamondsTen of Diamonds
vito4869 folds
david71884 calls 30
renorman053 folds
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 calls 30
bklynriz calls 30
silverfoxx666 folds
TKE888 calls 15
littlenico2000 raises to 60
david71884 calls 30
goodgrief62 calls 30
bklynriz calls 30
TKE888 calls 30
*** FLOP *** Five of SpadesQueen of DiamondsAce of Clubs
TKE888 checks
littlenico2000 checks
david71884 checks
goodgrief62 checks
bklynriz checks
*** TURN *** Five of SpadesQueen of DiamondsAce of Clubs King of Diamonds
TKE888 checks
littlenico2000 bets 540
david71884 calls 540
goodgrief62 folds
bklynriz folds
TKE888 folds
*** RIVER *** Five of SpadesQueen of DiamondsAce of ClubsKing of Diamonds Nine of Diamonds
littlenico2000 bets 30
david71884 raises to 300
littlenico2000 calls 270
*** SHOW DOWN ***
david71884 shows Jack of DiamondsTen of Diamonds (a straight flush, King high)
littlenico2000 mucks
david71884 wins the pot (1,980) with a straight flush, King high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,980 | Rake 0
Board: Five of SpadesQueen of DiamondsAce of ClubsKing of DiamondsNine of Diamonds
Seat 1: renorman053 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: no1ucare didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 folded on the Turn
Seat 4: bklynriz folded on the Turn
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: TKE888 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (big blind) mucked King of HeartsTen of Spades - a pair of Kings
Seat 8: vito4869 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: david71884 showed Jack of DiamondsTen of Diamonds and won (1,980) with a straight flush, King high



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343410465: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:46:26 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,590)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,410)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,440)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,920)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,395)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,140)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (525)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,500)
Seat 9: david71884 (2,580)
littlenico2000 posts the small blind of 15
vito4869 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
david71884: NUTS
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Queen of SpadesKing of Clubs
david71884 calls 30
renorman053 folds
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 calls 30
bklynriz folds
silverfoxx666 calls 30
TKE888 calls 30
littlenico2000 folds
vito4869 checks
*** FLOP *** Nine of HeartsSix of DiamondsEight of Clubs
vito4869 checks
david71884 checks
goodgrief62 bets 30
silverfoxx666 calls 30
TKE888 calls 30
vito4869 calls 30
david71884 folds
*** TURN *** Nine of HeartsSix of DiamondsEight of Clubs Ten of Clubs
vito4869 checks
goodgrief62 checks
silverfoxx666 checks
TKE888 checks
*** RIVER *** Nine of HeartsSix of DiamondsEight of ClubsTen of Clubs Ace of Diamonds
vito4869 checks
goodgrief62 bets 285
silverfoxx666 has 15 seconds left to act
silverfoxx666 calls 285
TKE888 folds
vito4869 folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
goodgrief62 shows Eight of DiamondsAce of Clubs (two pair, Aces and Eights)
silverfoxx666 mucks
goodgrief62 wins the pot (855) with two pair, Aces and Eights
The blinds are now 20/40
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 855 | Rake 0
Board: Nine of HeartsSix of DiamondsEight of ClubsTen of ClubsAce of Diamonds
Seat 1: renorman053 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: no1ucare didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 showed Eight of DiamondsAce of Clubs and won (855) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 4: bklynriz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 mucked King of HeartsAce of Hearts - a pair of Aces
Seat 6: TKE888 (button) folded on the River
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: vito4869 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 9: david71884 folded on the Flop



Full Tilt Poker Game #2343418194: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (17695982), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:47:59 ET - 2007/05/03
Seat 1: renorman053 (1,590)
Seat 2: no1ucare (1,410)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 (1,950)
Seat 4: bklynriz (1,920)
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 (1,050)
Seat 6: TKE888 (1,080)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (510)
Seat 8: vito4869 (1,440)
Seat 9: david71884 (2,550)
vito4869 posts the small blind of 20
david71884 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david71884 Three of HeartsFive of Spades
renorman053 calls 40
no1ucare folds
goodgrief62 folds
bklynriz raises to 140
silverfoxx666 folds
TKE888 folds
littlenico2000 calls 140
vito4869 folds
david71884 folds
renorman053 calls 100
*** FLOP *** Ten of SpadesTen of HeartsFive of Hearts
renorman053 checks
bklynriz checks
littlenico2000 bets 40
renorman053 calls 40
bklynriz calls 40
*** TURN *** Ten of SpadesTen of HeartsFive of Hearts Six of Hearts
renorman053 checks
bklynriz checks
littlenico2000 bets 330, and is all in
renorman053 calls 330
bklynriz folds
littlenico2000 shows King of DiamondsEight of Clubs
renorman053 shows Nine of HeartsAce of Diamonds
*** RIVER *** Ten of SpadesTen of HeartsFive of HeartsSix of Hearts Two of Hearts
littlenico2000 shows a pair of Tens
renorman053 shows a flush, Ten high
renorman053 wins the pot (1,260) with a flush, Ten high
littlenico2000 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,260 | Rake 0
Board: Ten of SpadesTen of HeartsFive of HeartsSix of HeartsTwo of Hearts
Seat 1: renorman053 showed Nine of HeartsAce of Diamonds and won (1,260) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 2: no1ucare didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: goodgrief62 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: bklynriz folded on the Turn
Seat 5: silverfoxx666 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: TKE888 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: littlenico2000 (button) showed King of DiamondsEight of Clubs and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: vito4869 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: david71884 (big blind) folded before the Flop


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Posted Thu May 03, 2007 2:47 pm GMT by UrAteUp
You have to make the call here. The 140 raise looks weak to me. You ahead of all but 3 hands here...AA,KK and QQ. Good as time as any to get your chips in the pot and pray it holds up.


Posted Thu May 03, 2007 4:15 pm GMT by vyni
I can't say I disagree with a fold here: certainly the safe play. Having said that....

Second level of a $5 sng...
Original raiser goes 3.5bb: means little to me here (other than noting he did it from a weak position, 5 left to act preflop behind him yet).

Short stack reraiser takes awhile to push all but 50? Thinking this guy doesn't even know how to use the software, and likely on an Ax hand or small/mid pair that he doesn't want to see played out. Would help to know how he became the shorty, and what we'd seen him play up to now. Shouldn't take so long to push AA KK QQ, even if he's multitabling. Just strikes me as 'should I push here', and if so... well he's chips for the taking. If he's misleading me on a monster... well good for him. Mental note for laters. lol

The original raiser pushed just to get the last 50 in. We acted before him here: I likely would have pushed here when action came to me, telling those to act behind me that I really didn't want them in this one but if they're coming in, it's for all their chips. We have the chip lead, and can use it to scare out those smaller stacks. The only stack to be concerned about was sitting to your left, and I doubt he would want to tangle with ours unless he held a primo hand.

The more players in this flop, the worse off our hand is. Had second villain called our push... if we lose we're hurting, but not dead. Had they folded and let us go hu... even if we lost here hu, we're knocked back around our starting chip count. Not risking our life here, just our lead.

So bottom line: your fold was safe, but I think I would have taken the gamble on this one and not felt bad about it if it turned sour. I'd respond with a push, fully expecting to go hu with shorty.

Mr. Green



Posted Fri May 04, 2007 3:12 pm GMT by davepoker
Here is the results of the hand

david71884 posts the small blind of 20
renorman053 posts the big blind of 40
Dealt to david71884 Jack of HeartsJack of Clubs
bklynriz raises to 140
silverfoxx666 has 15 seconds left to act
silverfoxx666 raises to 1,000
bklynriz raises to 1,740, and is all in
silverfoxx666 calls 50, and is all in
bklynriz shows Queen of HeartsQueen of Spades
silverfoxx666 shows King of ClubsKing of Spades
Uncalled bet of 690 returned to bklynriz
*** FLOP *** Six of DiamondsTen of DiamondsSix of Clubs
david71884: wow nhs
david71884: JJ
*** TURN *** Six of DiamondsTen of DiamondsSix of Clubs King of Diamonds
*** RIVER *** Six of DiamondsTen of DiamondsSix of ClubsKing of Diamonds Two of Spades
bklynriz shows two pair, Queens and Sixes
silverfoxx666 shows a full house, Kings full of Sixes
silverfoxx666 wins the pot (2,160) with a full house, Kings full of Sixes

Even though I did have the chip lead, there were several reasons i felt i should fold.
At best I have a coinflip here assuming that bklyn folds, and costs me 1/3 of my stack. If one player has an overpair, and the other has AK, then i am 4-1 underdog here.
If i have the overpair and one has AK then im 45% to win here.
If they both have AK then i am 65%.

The large bet almost yells that he has a big hand, and i dont think he would make a bluff of that size.
With 2700 in chips, I felt that I could outplay the rest of the table with better advantages, than the 4400, if i need to draw out.



Posted Sat May 05, 2007 9:10 am GMT by Yozman
the first question u ask yourself is what range of hands are u likely to b up against? AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ. good fold imo, most of the time u will find 1 of the 2 has u dominated, JJ isnt as strong as people think, at least 1 overcard is floped 57% of the time. good fold, move on to the next hand where u r the 1 begging for a call with ur KK or AA


Posted Sat May 05, 2007 12:18 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Its early in the sng, no need to risk big amounts preflop with just jacks.

Also, on the hand where you turned broadway, why didnt you push on the guys massive over bet? You have the nuts and a flush draw, get all your chips in there while you can.



Posted Sat May 05, 2007 10:46 pm GMT by davepoker
On the hand with broadway and the FD i smooth called the large bet because it looked like a bluff and i wanted him to fire again on the river or get some extra money from another caller





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