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Posted Tue May 08, 2007 4:59 am GMT by Ciso_B
Okay heres the situation. I am one of the shorter stacks with 14 left in a $100 F.o on pokerstars. I have around 36,000 in chips with BB of 3,000.
MP raises to 9,000 , its on me, I have 33,000. I don't really want to be folding pocket 9s with my stack at this point in the tournament. Nonetheless I can re raise all in, Call or Fold. I make what I consider the worst of the 3 options and flat call. The reason its a bad play imo is cos I am guessing/hoping he doesnt have an overpair and also im oop and I cant really be playing flops with 10 x bb.
Anyhoo flop falls. J-5-2. I am sitting with like 27,000 and thought that a strong play here would be to throw out a 7500 bet or something and fold to a re raise. What I actually did was check ( terrible play) simply because any hand this person raises with knows he/she has to c bet here. The pot is nice size and my opponent has to bet.
My opponent dwells for a few seconds before moving all in for over 30,000 chips. I.E Me covered. I sit and think, then take a look at the leaderboard and realise i am in the bottom 2 stacks. I know theres a reasonable chance I am in front esp with my opponents all in as the board is v unscary , theres no flush possible or straight. So that and the fact I have played so weak here makes me make a guessing call. I was seriously thinking of folding just cos I wasnt sure at all as to my opponents hand. But I called and my opponent showed Q-J. No 9 fell and I was gone in 14th place for $375. $7,800 for 1st in this one , but this time I didnt get there thro bad luck but bad play.
Slightly disapointed at the final hand but at least I am aware of the bad play and can correct it.
If I had re raised all in pre flop theres a strong chance she/he would have passed that Q J and I increase my stack or If I bet flop I could have still been sitting on around 20,000 if I played it well. Still, Live and Learn.
Just thought I'd get that hand out of my system and show that I don't just post hands where I bluff and get bad beated.
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Posted Tue May 08, 2007 10:18 pm GMT by TheSalche
Don't be too hard on yourself here, stop-n-go isn't a horrible option. If the villain has two big cards, letting him see 5 cards is in his favor. You can't assume he's got an overpair all the time here. Given your stack sizes, postflop you'll have an overbet all-in which doesn't give correct odds for any draw, plus you can always check/fold if the flop comes AKQ.
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 5:52 pm GMT by ScanX
I agree with all you said.
push or, as played, bet and get out
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 8:12 pm GMT by misterjokerboy
| ScanX wrote: | I agree with all you said.
push or, as played, bet and get out |
With the amount of chips you have left, betting out and folding to a re-raise is horrible here.
I hate the flat call, it's either a fold or a push, which would depend on how often the original raiser has been raising.
With 12BB, you MAY have enough to get him to fold, but he's still probably getting decent odds to call anyway (can't be bothered to work the maths out now) Against an aggressive player, I'm prepared to to go broke with this hand.
edit: as played, I shove the flop
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 8:33 pm GMT by ScanX
meh u're prolly right after all, betting sux too.
push flop is ok (although almost only called by hands that beat u) but I still prefer push pre.
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 3:33 pm GMT by AHBrownell
I think you should either push allin preflop or on the flop. Calling in either spot is a mistake.
Why?
Folding equity.
If you call an allin, like you did here, he may just have two overs - and even then he'll still beat you nearly 1/3 of the time. BUT also consider all the times he has you beat. If you push, you at least can get the overs to fold. That folding equity makes the hand strong enough to put my chips in here, but calling allin seems like a much worse play than just folding and waiting for a spot where I can be the aggressor - with the folding equity that comes with it.
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 6:23 pm GMT by kompis
all in preflop obv. shit stack good hand.. but not aa or kk. all in u twit
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