Posted Tue May 08, 2007 1:19 pm GMT by kingetje
PokerStars Game #9810591361: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/05/08 - 13:32:27 (ET)
Table 'Thebe IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: mentor99 ($99 in chips)
Seat 2: Blizzy23 ($121.80 in chips)
Seat 3: xxxJDLxxx ($103.45 in chips)
Seat 4: SwimFree ($168.65 in chips)
Seat 5: kingetje ($109.35 in chips)
Seat 6: EgnyL ($29.60 in chips)
mentor99: posts small blind $0.50
Blizzy23: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingetje  
xxxJDLxxx: folds
SwimFree: raises $3 to $4
kingetje: calls $4
EgnyL: foldsa
mentor99: folds
Blizzy23: folds
*** FLOP ***   
SwimFree: bets $7
kingetje: calls $7
*** TURN *** 
SwimFree: bets $18
kingetje: calls $18
*** RIVER *** 
SwimFree: bets $25
kingetje: raises $55.35 to $80.35 and is all-in
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Posted Tue May 08, 2007 1:55 pm GMT by Phil14312
I sorta like it, if you know villain can fold a one pair hand a decent amount of the time.
Posted Tue May 08, 2007 3:55 pm GMT by MrDarling
well, you played it like a draw, might as well represent it!
It just sucks when sometimes the hand you are representing is the one villain holds 
Posted Tue May 08, 2007 4:14 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I actually think this is a pretty well coordinated bluff (it certainly exploits the "scariness factor" of the board perfectly) that will have a high success rate so long as we are relatively certain of our opponent's tendencies.
Does our opponent frequently make such a strong bet on the river with only one pair or a similar hand he is willing to fold in the face of a solid raise? How does our opponent play, say, a nut flush draw? Is our opponent willing to fold a hand like AA/KK getting about 3 to 1 on the river?
My biggest concern here is what our opponent represents by betting $25 on the river. Previous to that card, it looked like our opponent was representing one of three hands: AA, KK, or TT. But for any of those hands, the river has to be considered a pretty big scare card.
Posted Tue May 08, 2007 5:04 pm GMT by gumbie
If he folded he can't beat JT.
Posted Tue May 08, 2007 7:21 pm GMT by jeffonline
Villain has raised pre-flop, flop, turn and river in increasing amounts but never wanting to price you out but looking for max value, villain has not shown any desire to slow down, you read is important, If I was a betting man, I’d say he will call.
As far as bluffs go this is up there, you have had position throughout the hand and by calling each street have appeared to be drawing to the flush. This may be enough.
Posted Tue May 08, 2007 9:01 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| gumbie wrote: | | If he folded he can't beat JT. |
There might be a few hands he could fold that beat JT, but not many. My concern is he isn't going to toss AA/KK here.
Guess he could have QQ too... what a sucky river if that's the case. 
Posted Tue May 08, 2007 10:09 pm GMT by TheSalche
I think villain played this hand pretty poorly unless he has a set. That river bet really doesn't make any sense for a one pair hand. However most players at 100NL with TPTK here don't realize how bad their river bet is. He thinks he's either value betting or blocking, and if he calls with one pair give him a note that says 'value bet this mofo'
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 1:25 am GMT by Yozman
hmmmm. what range of hands do we put villan on.
most probably an overpair or AT, i think the only hands he is folding is maybe JJ and maybe AT i still see him calling with these hands though. i dunno bout this play i like the fact that u are representing a monster but villan must have something to be betting the way he is. id say he calls u with JJ, i suspect from the size of his river bet he doesnt like the queen
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 8:01 am GMT by UrAteUp
Hard to put villian on a hand here really. This is one time where it would pay to have been watching the players well. See what kind of hands they are raising with VS the size of the raise.
I can't see AA or KK calling on a push by hero on the river. I think either of these hands would most likely be thinking hero just hit two pair, made a set or straight. A wise bit of wisdom here is never put your whole stack at risk with just a pair. It might apply more to tournaments but I think it also applies well in ring games too.
The only fear here would most likely be a set. Possibly 99, 1010 or QQ. In which case your so screwed because I don't know too many people who will lay down a set even with facing a possible flush or straight.
Posted Fri May 11, 2007 4:15 pm GMT by kingetje
PokerStars Game #9810591361: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/05/08 - 13:32:27 (ET)
Table 'Thebe IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: mentor99 ($99 in chips)
Seat 2: Blizzy23 ($121.80 in chips)
Seat 3: xxxJDLxxx ($103.45 in chips)
Seat 4: SwimFree ($168.65 in chips)
Seat 5: kingetje ($109.35 in chips)
Seat 6: EgnyL ($29.60 in chips)
mentor99: posts small blind $0.50
Blizzy23: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingetje
xxxJDLxxx: folds
SwimFree: raises $3 to $4
kingetje: calls $4
EgnyL: folds
mentor99: folds
Blizzy23: folds
*** FLOP ***
SwimFree: bets $7
kingetje: calls $7
*** TURN ***
SwimFree: bets $18
kingetje: calls $18
*** RIVER ***
SwimFree: bets $25
kingetje: raises $55.35 to $80.35 and is all-in
SwimFree said, "did you seriously just chase that all the way down"
SwimFree: folds
kingetje collected $106.50 from pot
kingetje: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $109.50 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: mentor99 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Blizzy23 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: xxxJDLxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SwimFree folded on the River
Seat 5: kingetje collected ($106.50)
Seat 6: EgnyL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 5:55 am GMT by MrDarling
| gumbie wrote: | | If he folded he can't beat JT. |
So how would you play a set if you were villain ?
How do you play a set if the 3 to the flush hit on the turn?
Posted Thu May 17, 2007 2:18 pm GMT by Jauron
| MrDarling wrote: | | gumbie wrote: | | If he folded he can't beat JT. |
So how would you play a set if you were villain ?
How do you play a set if the 3 to the flush hit on the turn? |
Getting 3:1 on my call, it's not a problem.
2 pair is hard to fold even though that river is sick, too much money in the pot.
An overpair makes me want to throw up though, it's a great play if villian has just a pair.
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