Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:05 pm GMT by Eusebio
this guy called all-in for all his chips with 53s and put somebody all-in with KT
its a 90 player sng with 38 players remaining... 18 pay
Full Tilt Poker Game #2393722988: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (18103506), Table 6 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:58:50 ET - 2007/05/10
Seat 1: lynndeannajones (10,950)
Seat 2: nickels04 (4,715)
Seat 4: stonemaker444 (4,010)
Seat 5: OcoeeFA (1,520)
Seat 6: Eusebio1210 (11,785)
Seat 7: chinavalentine (12,160)
Seat 8: OnePlainJane (2,480)
Seat 9: U lookaLIKEaMAN (7,277)
U lookaLIKEaMAN posts the small blind of 60
lynndeannajones posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Eusebio1210  
nickels04 has 15 seconds left to act
nickels04 folds
stonemaker444 has 15 seconds left to act
stonemaker444 is sitting out
stonemaker444 has timed out
stonemaker444 folds
OcoeeFA folds
Eusebio1210 raises to 360
chinavalentine has 15 seconds left to act
stonemaker444 has returned
chinavalentine is sitting out
chinavalentine has timed out
chinavalentine folds
OnePlainJane folds
U lookaLIKEaMAN folds
lynndeannajones raises to 10,950, and is all in
Eusebio1210 has 15 seconds left to act
Eusebio1210 is sitting out
Eusebio1210 has timed out
Eusebio1210 folds
Uncalled bet of 10,590 returned to lynndeannajones
Eusebio1210 has returned
lynndeannajones mucks
lynndeannajones wins the pot (780)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 780 | Rake 0
Seat 1: lynndeannajones (big blind) collected (780), mucked
Seat 2: nickels04 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: stonemaker444 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: OcoeeFA didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Eusebio1210 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: chinavalentine didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: OnePlainJane (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: U lookaLIKEaMAN (small blind) folded before the Flop
based on the betting patterns, is this a good fold?
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Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:10 pm GMT by Ensano
easy fold...
with the size of your stacks relative to the blinds and stacks of the other people I'd say I fold this 99% of the time...
with QQ i always do my best to see a flop unless calling a SS allin so outright maniac blind steal...
no need to risk so many of your chips... you have practically nothing invested in this pot... let it go and bust him later...
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:13 pm GMT by MrDarling
no one can reply to this without sitting at the table with the guy for a few rounds.
You've been there, so if you gut told you to fold, I guess its a good fold. Always listen to your gut.
Personally it will take me a very good read to fold Q's especially against someone who put someone AI with KTo and called with 53s
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:14 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Quote: | | this guy called all-in for all his chips with 53s and put somebody all-in with KT |
Easy call. You have a real hand versus a stupid maniac. Doesn't matter if he has you beat, you're ahead most of the time, which is what matters.
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:25 pm GMT by Eusebio
actually after I donk in the "higher" (10+1;24+2) Buy-In tourneys (see other topic  ) i always come back to the nickle and dime-trash, to practice and try to handle it, as if it was a real tourney (MrDarling will probably tell me once again that i shouldnt think that much about players at that level  )
right after I folded i felt pretty stupid, because i should have called for the reasons tame mentioned in his post.
My thoughts were going more in following direction:
even if he has 53s again, why should i risk the tourney on one hand. One badbeat and i am out, but with a fold i am still in a very comfortable chipposition
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:37 pm GMT by Ensano
| Eusebio wrote: | My thoughts were going more in following direction:
even if he has 53s again, why should i risk the tourney on one hand. One badbeat and i am out, but with a fold i am still in a very comfortable chipposition |
you stack is 11785... your M=65+, you have 98 times the BB why at this point would you risk all your chips preflop?...
doubling up now < not cripling yourself for no reason
remember what people say about not getting into coinflip situations early because you don't need to...
i say the same thing about going all in preflop when you don't need to...
fold and wait for a better spot...
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:37 pm GMT by Eusebio
knew i should have called this ape
Full Tilt Poker Game #2393877850: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (18103506), Table 6 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:34:15 ET - 2007/05/10
Seat 1: lynndeannajones (9,305)
Seat 3: pilotman11 (835)
Seat 4: RoryN (7,950)
Seat 5: Senior Jose (9,635)
Seat 6: Eusebio1210 (12,390)
Seat 7: chinavalentine (16,105)
Seat 8: sabac_red (10,095), is sitting out
Seat 9: U lookaLIKEaMAN (6,937)
lynndeannajones antes 25
pilotman11 antes 25
RoryN antes 25
Senior Jose antes 25
Eusebio1210 antes 25
chinavalentine antes 25
sabac_red antes 25
U lookaLIKEaMAN antes 25
RoryN posts the small blind of 120
Senior Jose posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Eusebio1210  
Eusebio1210 folds
chinavalentine raises to 480
sabac_red folds
U lookaLIKEaMAN folds
lynndeannajones raises to 2,000
pilotman11 calls 810, and is all in
RoryN folds
Senior Jose calls 1,760
chinavalentine folds
*** FLOP ***   
Senior Jose bets 240
lynndeannajones calls 240
*** TURN *** 
Senior Jose has 15 seconds left to act
Senior Jose bets 720
lynndeannajones raises to 1,440
Senior Jose calls 720
*** RIVER *** 
Senior Jose bets 240
lynndeannajones calls 240
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Senior Jose shows   (a pair of Kings)
lynndeannajones mucks
Senior Jose wins the side pot (6,220) with a pair of Kings
pilotman11 mucks
Senior Jose wins the main pot (3,230) with a pair of Kings
pilotman11 stands up
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:38 pm GMT by Eusebio
What about Kings in this spot?
I guess its the same story...
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 12:52 pm GMT by Ensano
| Eusebio wrote: | What about Kings in this spot?
I guess its the same story... |
you mean in the first hand if you have KK instead of QQ...
of you fold KK preflop just because you raised and then a LAG pushed then you defenately need to start coming to my homegame...
i say fold QQ cause from my experience QQ is a lot like JJ... their those hands that if you find yourself AI preflop you'll more often than not be up against a few overcards...
avoid coinflips unless you have no choice...
the risk benefit of this situation just isn't worth it... you're risking your tournament life on this 1 hand, when you have more than enough chips to make a good run for the final table...
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 1:15 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Vs a stupid lagtard maniac bluffer type handrange like we're most likely against here KK isnt't really too different from QQ in a preflop situation. Something like 5-6% equity maybe, so its indeed a good bit but it is far from the aweinspiring difference many probably think it is.
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 1:17 pm GMT by Eusebio
| Ensano wrote: |
of you fold KK preflop just because you raised and then a LAG pushed then you defenately need to start coming to my homegame...
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Would be a bit far from europe
@tourney
I love it when you play, solid for hours and then this
Full Tilt Poker Game #2394057010: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (18103506), Table 6 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:11:38 ET - 2007/05/10
Seat 2: Kyron (15,445)
Seat 3: MrBoulez (5,150)
Seat 4: RoryN (11,240)
Seat 5: Senior Jose (14,395)
Seat 6: Eusebio1210 (16,160)
Seat 7: chinavalentine (13,465)
Seat 9: U lookaLIKEaMAN (4,887)
Kyron antes 50
MrBoulez antes 50
RoryN antes 50
Senior Jose antes 50
Eusebio1210 antes 50
chinavalentine antes 50
U lookaLIKEaMAN antes 50
RoryN posts the small blind of 250
Senior Jose posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Eusebio1210 
Eusebio1210 raises to 2,000
chinavalentine folds
U lookaLIKEaMAN folds
Kyron raises to 6,500
MrBoulez folds
RoryN folds
Senior Jose folds
Eusebio1210 raises to 16,110, and is all in
Kyron calls 8,895, and is all in
Eusebio1210 shows
Kyron shows  
Uncalled bet of 715 returned to Eusebio1210
*** FLOP ***   
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER *** 
Eusebio1210 shows a pair of Queens
Kyron shows a pair of Aces
Kyron wins the pot (31,890) with a pair of Aces
This would be a good example for the other topic "What do people think?"
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 1:38 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Eusebio wrote: | | Would be a bit far from europe |
He'll pick you up on the scooter.
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