blinds battle - comments on all streets please |
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Posted Sun May 13, 2007 7:05 am GMT by MrDarling
First some info about villain, he seems to be the thinking LAG.
I've seen him raised 67s from the SB into 4 limpers (6 max) he then proceed to check/call PSB to SD when he hit the 6 on a 8 high flop with 2 to the flush (not his flush) turns out he was right, other guy was on a flush draw and none of the over cards that hit on later street improved his hand.
I've also seen him c-bet out of position when the board seemed to miss him.
I've been very tight. Didn't show down any hands and barely played any. Chased once open ended until the river (against another very aggressive player) but folded UI.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2414343247: Table Lanning (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:04:16 ET - 2007/05/13
Seat 1: SleepNStreet ($25.80)
Seat 2: andersen357 ($20.40)
Seat 3: hero ($29)
Seat 4: joojoo87 ($45.20)
Seat 5: Sukminutz ($6.75)
Seat 6: 1980lucas ($26.25)
hero posts the small blind of $0.10
joojoo87 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
Sukminutz folds
1980lucas folds
SleepNStreet folds
andersen357 folds
hero calls $0.15
1. I don't necessary like to raise with marginal hands OOP against thinking villain as it force me to fire a c-bet UI which is usually not enough to take it down. My plan is limp/call any reasonable raise.
joojoo87 raises to $0.75
hero calls $0.50
*** FLOP ***   
hero checks
2. I hit my A with bad kicker. plan check/call
joojoo87 checks
3. Check behind in a raised pot tells me he either slow play a big A or as some kind of show down value. Maybe even a draw. I think he will c-bet here most of the time UI
*** TURN *** 
hero bets $1
joojoo87 raises to $4.50
4. ok, I hit my card. but get raised. I put him either on a big A or maybe 67. both I'm in front of. there is a nagging set alarm going on. Is calling too weak?my plan. call and check/call river
hero calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** 
hero checks
joojoo87 bets $10.50
hero calls $10.50
thoughts about the hand?
Please comments on play on all streets.
Should I raise the turn or river?
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Posted Sun May 13, 2007 10:48 am GMT by Dave B
fold preflop
Posted Sun May 13, 2007 12:07 pm GMT by MrDarling
What limp / fold or not even complete?
Remember, this guy is capable of raising small SC into 4 limpers from the SB.
Posted Sun May 13, 2007 4:36 pm GMT by Ryan231
I think I'd of raised on the turn to at least find out what sort of hand he has. The entire hand you really have no idea where he is at, he is asking all the questions and your not really getting any sort of information. He could of simply seen your bet on the turn as a weak stab and raised to get you out, he could of put you on a flush draw and tried to take it down with nothing on the river. Its really tough to put someone on a hand when you just check/call the entire way, even if you minraised the turn you would have gotten an idea where you were very fast.
Posted Sun May 13, 2007 9:18 pm GMT by Phil14312
I'm showing down after the turn. I think you played it fine.
Posted Mon May 14, 2007 2:05 am GMT by Ryan_j37
I dont think open completing is ever a good idea, its either raise/fold for me. Otherwise played fine
Posted Mon May 14, 2007 3:05 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Completing is probably fine unless opponent likes to raise a lot. Unless you have a real solid handle on his post flop play, I probably fold to his raise before the flop, simply because your hand will be difficult to define on any flop that doesn't come something like 7-7-x.
Flop check is probably fine, but leading is a nice variant too depending on your history with him.
His turn raise is a little baffling, but it depends what his tendencies are. Would he have slowplayed a bigger Ace on the flop? Like Phil said, I'm probably looking to show this hand down now, but I also don't want to walk into a cooler. I probably just call the turn and examine the river before planning my next action.
Assuming a safe-looking river card, I strongly consider leading with a modest value bet, because your hand is ahead of a lot of junk here (especially if he has AK or AQ, he may likely call your value bet, but could easily check behind if you check and deprive you of your rightful value). I think that if he were to raise the river in the face of such a bet, it would be pretty strong evidence that he has you crushed (with a set most likely). If the river is a little scarier, I probably go the check/call route because being OOP is crappy.
Posted Mon May 14, 2007 3:29 am GMT by MrDarling
This is micro - do you really think aggressive player doesn't reraise any two pairs here?
Posted Mon May 14, 2007 3:35 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| MrDarling wrote: | | This is micro - do you really think aggressive player doesn't reraise any two pairs here? |
If the players are truly that wild, is this really worth analyzing? You asked for my opinion, and that was it. No, I don't think a lot of players are going to raise two pair if you bet into them on the river after calling that turn raise; I really don't. If those are the type of players you're up against, you might as well try to get all your chips in on the turn or river.
Posted Mon May 14, 2007 4:03 am GMT by MrDarling
Actually, you are probably right.
Now that I think about it, I've seen people check behind top 2 when I called their turn bet.
So do you think best line on the river is bet / fold?
How big is out bet, 1/3 - 1/2 pot.
As played, do we think river call is fine? We are a head of a lot of hands, and since we missed represent our hand villain could be value betting TPTK, smaller 2 pairs etc..
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 5:38 am GMT by crack
If the majority of the time you put him on big A or 67 then you should re-raise the turn. Trust your reads and if he 4 bets fold and know your read was wrong. :D
Perhaps lesser variance would be to Check/Raise turn and fold to a 3 bet, because you invest less money, this was my first instinct, but it all really would depend on the player.
NL cash game is so rusty so I dunno.
Anyone think the C/R turn has any merit?
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 10:09 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
i prefer C/R on turn actually
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 3:28 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I think you have to make the call here. TP2P is a good hand. The only thing I would be affraid of here is villian having 77. If so then I guess I am paying him off because I can not see any way not to make the call here.
Again, you would have had better info had you raised after the flop. If he re-raised then you know your up against something big most likely (set, 2 pr, AX).
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 3:31 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I think you have to make the call here. TP2P is a good hand. |
I agree. The EV is almost exactly +1.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 5:58 pm GMT by MrDarling
I think I was planning a check/raise on the flop..
But that didn't work since he checked behind.
anyway, dude had the monster 58o - and of course, my 2 pair was the worse card in the deck for me.
Any other card I will either win a small pot or lose a small one (i.e fold)
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