Calling with crap in position against TAG's |
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Posted Tue May 15, 2007 4:17 am GMT by MrDarling
Villain has been sitting at the table for good few orbit. He only played his first hand where he managed to get his A's AI against BS 8's. didn't play a hand since.
I decided to make this very thin marginal call in position. Figuring if I hit big, I can probably break him. And if I miss, and he miss I might be able to take it away.
Thought?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2429293865: Table Lindy (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:47:39 ET - 2007/05/15
Seat 1: hero ($38.25)
Seat 2: SSDriver ($30.60)
Seat 4: VanVoten ($47.10)
Seat 6: RyanMo6707 ($16.85)
VanVoten posts the small blind of $0.10
RyanMo6707 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
hero calls $0.25
SSDriver folds
VanVoten raises to $1
RyanMo6707 folds
hero calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***   
VanVoten bets $2
hero calls $2
*** TURN *** 
VanVoten bets $6
hero raises to $15
VanVoten raises to $44.10, and is all in
hero calls $20.25, and is all in
VanVoten shows  
hero shows
Uncalled bet of $8.85 returned to VanVoten
*** RIVER *** 
VanVoten shows a pair of Jacks
hero shows two pair, Sevens and Threes
hero wins the pot ($74.75) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
hero: sorry
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Posted Tue May 15, 2007 10:00 am GMT by tame_deuces
Hmm, a new reply. I didn't really know how to formulate the last one.
When you do this:
You don't really know who is going to be in the hand, if you're going to have position and most likely the 'TAG'isn't playing. This move is the decisive point to this hand, not the rest of it...that's just got the eyecandy.
So this is the move you want to think about.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 11:00 am GMT by MrDarling
Well, I thought quite a lot about this hand (since I posted it in a Belgian poker forum and got a lot of crap about how bad I played it)
Now that main reason I probably limped with this hand to begin with is, and I am ashamed to say, my A's just got cracked on another table by a runner runner (He decided to call all his full buyin stack on a flush draw with 89 to hit 8 and 9 )
The call of his raise was a side effect of that, though I will often call raises in position with marginal hands , but a little less marginal usually.
I'm going to start another topic about open limping in 6 max, since it seems like every one hates it.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 11:25 am GMT by AHBrownell
In six-max tournaments, limping is HUGE. I think its by far the best way to chip up early. Don't know about cash games, but for the 6-max tournaments I play, I find its a great play because you nearly always end up with position against just the blinds. I win at least 65% of those pots, so its a great play to pick up lots of small pots.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 11:54 am GMT by tame_deuces
| MrDarling wrote: |
I'm going to start another topic about open limping in 6 max, since it seems like every one hates it. |
To my knowledge, limping is much more common than raising untill you get quite high in stakes. So I think you have to reconsider the everyone hates it statement.
It isn't a question of 'never limp', that would be just a silly axiomatic rule which doesn't make any sense.
And don't mind that other stupid forum, what they see is you playing 73s and cracking some jacks with passive play.
You played the hand just fine after the initial limp, the raiser was deepish and so were you and the flop so the preflop call is standard, and the postflop play is good based on the handranges you think he has.
The only thing I question here is the intial limp with one of the weakest hands in hold'em. 
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 12:06 pm GMT by MrDarling
Well, this is the only poker forum that allow open limping in 6 max.
but it does seem like all other poker forum are just people blindly quoting what they read on 2p2...
but like Adam I'd limp with a lot of cards in the last two position with the sole intention of stealing the blinds on the flop if no one seems interested.
Its much cheaper then raising to 4XBB - then putting a 6-8XBB c-bet just to be check raised, or floated.
I pay 1XBB to see the flop. then 2-3XBB to steal it. I don't do it every hand. but once a orbit. Also, it keeps me active. People tend to give more action to active players
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 12:25 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Cashgames and tournaments are very rarely comparable in situations like this, except in the very start of the tournament.
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:20 pm GMT by Felting
| tame_deuces wrote: |
The only thing I question here is the intial limp with one of the weakest hands in hold'em. |
Even 7 3(offsuit even) was once worth 7.5 million
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:38 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Felting wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: |
The only thing I question here is the intial limp with one of the weakest hands in hold'em. |
Even 7 3(offsuit even) was once worth 7.5 million |
Any two can win.
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:54 am GMT by gumbie
You have to be very ccareful who you play these hands against to make sure you are getting a positive expectation.
ie you need to know their ass is yours postflop.
Even then it is sure to send your standard deviation through the roof so I wouldn't bother if you can't handle big swings
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:15 am GMT by UrAteUp
To be honest I wish you hadn't posted the results and just went street for street. It would be more interesting and the comments by other posters would have been more interesting.
Had villian been smart, when you pushed, he would have known that you most likely had any PP beat and backed away. Not sure I even like your call even with position but I am sure I like his playing of this hand even less.
In a cash game I think he played his hand for value but should have known he was beat after the push.
In a tournament, I would say villian played horribly. Protect the PP and push the flop.
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:35 am GMT by Eusebio
If you put that beat on me, you better disable chat  would be in "Phil-Hellmuth-Mode"
I limp sometimes with suited gapconnectors, but i usually make sure that the gap isnt the grand canyon...
His potsized bet seemed like he wanted to make a draw expensive... meaning hes got to have a little something (of course depending on betting patterns)
Limping is probably a mistake with this hand
calling 2:1 with a horrible hand isnt that bad, since he is just a 2:1 fav with highcards
I wouldnt call the flopbet in this spot... smells like overpair...
PS: I think villian played the hand poor, he should have raised more preflop since he is oop. after the flatcall from u i guess i would have given my hand up and played it passively... i definatly would have folded to that turn-reraise
Posted Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:45 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Personally I'm not too fond of 2 pair hands. I try to keep the pot from getting too big until the river. With an overpair he has 8 outs, and in his case he had 12 outs. I want to make sure the board doesn't pair before getting it all in against an overpair.
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