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Posted Tue May 15, 2007 6:23 am GMT by MrDarling
This kind of stuff happens often. I flat call with AK. Take over the betting and ends up calling an AI.
Should I play this any different?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2429625681: Table Your (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:16:02 ET - 2007/05/15
Seat 1: SleepNStreet ($46.30)
Seat 2: hero ($24.75)
Seat 3: TheMcAnic ($30.65)
Seat 4: popfish ($25.90)
Seat 5: schroed07 ($15)
Seat 6: NACHO666 ($19.05)
TheMcAnic posts the small blind of $0.10
popfish posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
schroed07 calls $0.25
NACHO666 raises to $1.10
SleepNStreet folds
hero calls $1.10
TheMcAnic folds
popfish folds
schroed07 folds
*** FLOP ***   
NACHO666 bets $2.80
hero calls $2.80
*** TURN *** 
NACHO666 checks
hero bets $4.25
NACHO666 calls $4.25
*** RIVER *** 
NACHO666 bets $10.90, and is all in
hero calls $10.90
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Posted Tue May 15, 2007 8:04 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
IMO, hands like this aren't strong enough to wait till the later streets to assert yourself. Calling preflop is fine, but you need to make some noise on the flop while it's still reasonably cheap to do so, especially with position. If you pop it to $6 or so, you should find out pretty quickly if he wants to play for his stack.
I'm not a NL player though, so take it with a grain of salt. Others will likely disagree with me.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 9:57 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
like sean said
u cant slowplay tptk becouse u get no information on his hand
if u raise on flop u can see where u are,
and in this case u got ugly turn and river,
altho i think ur more often going to see a weaker ace or some PP
then u would see A5 or A3 considering he raised from ep.
as it was played u definetly have to call the river
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 11:07 am GMT by MrDarling
I did put him on a big A. just not as big as mine.
Plan 1 can be to raise flop and fold to reraise - though I do see AQ and AJ reraising here a lot in this levels.
If he calls, check behind turn.
And call reasonable river bet.
As played, should I have just check behind turn? This is a clear WA/WB situation. If he has a weaker A or a pocket pair he has very few outs to improve. So instead of looking to take a big pot down, I should just attempt to get cheap show down.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 11:32 am GMT by AHBrownell
You played this fine. I don't see a problem with calling the flop. Based on his range, there are plenty of hands you want to bluff you on the turn. If you raise the flop, you get no more money out of weaker aces, KK-66. I actually like the way you played this. I wouldn't be too surprised if he has a hand like AA here, but I also wouldn't be too surprised if he had a hand like AJ.
If you ended up running into A5, A3, 5x, 3x, 55, or 33, oh well. You cannot fold AK at any point during this hand. Your bet on the turn to me looks like your opponent might percieve it as a float and call you down with a middle ace. When he donk bets the river, this just looks to me like a bad play from an inexperienced player. I call here too.
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 11:38 am GMT by MrDarling
| AHBrownell wrote: | | ... I wouldn't be too surprised if he has a hand like AA here, |
+1
Posted Tue May 15, 2007 12:12 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Unfortunately at that level raising the flop will not give you much info. Anyone with AQ or AJ will call or reraise.
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 1:19 am GMT by Phil14312
I think you played it fine.
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 1:48 am GMT by MrDarling
Sometimes TPTK is good enough...
My first hand in the table :
Full Tilt Poker Game #2436393963: Table Boseck (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:44:34 ET - 2007/05/16
Seat 1: AmazingMiss ($29.70)
Seat 2: Psyktyler ($55.05)
Seat 3: soft_spoken ($35.70)
Seat 4: Blueberries ($16.65)
Seat 5: dhakos ($19.15)
Seat 6: hero ($25)
dhakos posts the small blind of $0.10
hero posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
AmazingMiss folds
Psyktyler folds
soft_spoken raises to $0.85
Blueberries folds
dhakos folds
hero raises to $2.25
soft_spoken calls $1.40
*** FLOP ***   
hero bets $4.25
soft_spoken raises to $8.50
hero calls $4.25
*** TURN *** 
hero checks
soft_spoken bets $15
hero calls $14.25, and is all in
soft_spoken shows 
hero shows
Uncalled bet of $0.75 returned to soft_spoken
*** RIVER *** 
soft_spoken shows a pair of Aces
hero shows a pair of Aces
hero wins the pot ($47.60) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.10 | Rake $2.50
Board:
Seat 1: AmazingMiss didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Psyktyler didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: soft_spoken showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Blueberries (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dhakos (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: hero (big blind) showed and won ($47.60) with a pair of Aces
this is sooo confusing to me. I though A's would have reraised me PF. and if he was lucky enough to hit set of T's - well, he get paid.
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 2:01 am GMT by MrDarling
btw , I almost never reraise AK from the blinds. Hate being OOP in a big pot.
If they call, it usually means a pocket pair. And if I miss, they are usually not good enough to fold their pair even with 3 over cards on the flop.
so its either I give up when I miss, or I fire a C-bet and give up when they call.
But I decided that by raising, I will save my self from going broke if they do have A's
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