Posted Wed May 16, 2007 2:14 am GMT by MrDarling
No read, my 2nd orbit in table.
dude took a while to call my PF raise.
My gut told me to fold my A's. but then I look at the size of his stack and thought better of it?
Should I have listened to my gut?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2436476189: Table Leon (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:01:51 ET - 2007/05/16
Seat 1: scorpstyles ($25)
Seat 2: JohnGa ($31.10)
Seat 3: Gansen ($33.15)
Seat 4: Advance_Luck ($25)
Seat 5: Tedow21 ($16.25)
Seat 6: hero ($26.10)
hero posts the small blind of $0.10
scorpstyles posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
JohnGa folds
Gansen folds
Advance_Luck folds
Tedow21 has 15 seconds left to act
Tedow21 calls $0.25
hero raises to $1
scorpstyles folds
Tedow21 calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***   
hero bets $2
Tedow21 raises to $8.25
hero has 15 seconds left to act
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Posted Wed May 16, 2007 9:38 am GMT by Ensano
with 6max being as agressive as it is the villian here could be pushing with a lot of hands... flushdraw, OE straight draw.. even a lower pocket pair... of even TP thinking you prob missed the flop and are just cbetting....
this flop looks like it didn't help your hand at all and he knows this so he's putting you to the test...
call... you're getting 2:1 on your money and the given range villian could be on, in my opinion, makes this an easy call...
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 10:21 am GMT by suitedaces84
| Ensano wrote: | with 6max being as agressive as it is the villian here could be pushing with a lot of hands... flushdraw, OE straight draw.. even a lower pocket pair... of even TP thinking you prob missed the flop and are just cbetting....
this flop looks like it didn't help your hand at all and he knows this so he's putting you to the test...
call... you're getting 2:1 on your money and the given range villian could be on, in my opinion, makes this an easy call... |
Villian still has $8 left after his raise.
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 10:43 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, this is a push or fold situation.
And villain was pretty short to begin with.
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 10:46 am GMT by MrDarling
Come on suited, give us some EV calculation here.
Hand range for villain :
T's-K's : not likely since he just limped/ called
9's-7's : most people raise any pocket pair in 6 max , but possible
87, 97, 98 - possible
TJ - ouch
JQ, 9T, 9J - possible
A9 - A7 - possible
So how do we calculate if over all against this range our action?
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 11:04 am GMT by Ensano
| MrDarling wrote: | Come on suited, give us some EV calculation here.
Hand range for villain :
T's-K's : not likely since he just limped/ called
9's-7's : most people raise any pocket pair in 6 max , but possible
87, 97, 98 - possible
TJ - ouch
JQ, 9T, 9J - possible
A9 - A7 - possible
So how do we calculate if over all against this range our action? |
what about flushdraw hands?
Ax  ?
KQ-10J
56-34
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Villian still has $8 left after his raise. |
crap... didn't see that...
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 11:43 am GMT by MrDarling
yep, forgot about those.
Aren't we ahead of everything but a set, 2 pairs and made str.
All draws are dogs to us, right? or are we behind combo draws (QJs - A7s etc..)
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 1:00 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| MrDarling wrote: | Yeah, this is a push or fold situation.
And villain was pretty short to begin with. |
calling ~ pushing
Not that I recommend calling here
| MrDarling wrote: | Come on suited, give us some EV calculation here.
Hand range for villain :
T's-K's : not likely since he just limped/ called
9's-7's : most people raise any pocket pair in 6 max , but possible
87, 97, 98 - possible
TJ - ouch
JQ, 9T, 9J - possible
A9 - A7 - possible
So how do we calculate if over all against this range our action? |
Try twodimes.net. Also a big part of his range would be XdYd, 6x and Tx.
Much depends on image. If you've been running good he's less likely to make a move. But seeing your equity vs. what you think his range is will tell you a lot.
Did he have a T and turn the straight by any chance?
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 2:05 pm GMT by MrDarling
| suitedaces84 wrote: |
Did he have a T and turn the straight by any chance? |
nope.
but the turn was indeed a J 
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 4:18 pm GMT by Gunslinger
| MrDarling wrote: | | but the turn was indeed a J |
Looks like the river was, too.
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 4:23 pm GMT by MrDarling
lol, didn't notice that I left the results in.
There out now.
I was actually in front when I pushed. But that doesn't necessary mean it was the right call
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 5:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Not sure if it's the absolute right spot to fold AA, but it is certainly the type of situation where it might be good to fold it. There aren't too many other flops that are much more dangerous, as it hits commonly held pocket pairs and a variety of connectors in the form of two pair, high-equity draws (ie pair + SD), or made hands.
I'm not going to say I'd always fold Aces here, but you are right to suspect this is at least the type of situation where you'd consider laying it down.
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:30 pm GMT by JD999
It's a really good bet by your opponent. He commits half of his stack with an overbet on the flop. The fact that he limped from the button and then called means he has at the very least a good draw, if he doesn't already have a straight on a 789 flop. A button limp then call with J10 is common. You want to see a cheap flop with a hand like this, but when you get raised by the small blind, you figure he may have a good hand, and its only .75 to try to out draw a big hand with a good drawing hand. I like the fold with Rockets here...the only thing that would make this flop worse was if it was 789 suited.
His preflop button limp, and him taking a while to call, then his huge overbet, I would put him on J10. You are not getting odds to call either, You have to call 8.25 to win about 12.60 in the pot. You're not even getting 2/1. Good fold. Don't fold every time theres 789 with AA, but with his preflop play, and his overbet on the flop, good fold.
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:48 pm GMT by JD999
| MrDarling wrote: | yep, forgot about those.
Aren't we ahead of everything but a set, 2 pairs and made str.
All draws are dogs to us, right? or are we behind combo draws (QJs - A7s etc..) |
No you're not behind QJs . QJ has 12 outs, 8 for flush, and 3 for straight, and 10 for straight flush. QJs would be about 48% to win with 2 cards to come, so its a coin flip but you're ahead a bit. If he had a open-ended straight-flush draw, he would have 3 more outs (not 4 because one of them is a diamond) giving him 15 outs. You have about 40% to win then.
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:58 pm GMT by MrDarling
I decided to call, because :
A. he is short. Short players are usually not that good. If he was good, he'd know he probably doesn't have odds to limp let alone call a raise with JT. And if he bad, he'd probably slow play the nuts.
B. I'm not good enough to fold A's
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $25.10, and is all in
Tedow21 calls $7, and is all in
Hero shows
Tedow21 shows  
Uncalled bet of $9.85 returned to Jade RedStone
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
Tedow21 shows a full house, Jacks full of Nines
Tedow21 wins the pot ($31.15) with a full house, Jacks full of Nines
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:31 pm GMT by Ensano
| Ensano wrote: | with 6max being as agressive as it is the villian here could be pushing with a lot of hands... flushdraw, OE straight draw.. even a lower pocket pair... of even TP thinking you prob missed the flop and are just cbetting....
this flop looks like it didn't help your hand at all and he knows this so he's putting you to the test...
call... you're getting 2:1 on your money and the given range villian could be on, in my opinion, makes this an easy call... |
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