Posted Thu May 17, 2007 8:46 am GMT by Blise
Following Situation :
Live game
"Final Table", last 9 out of 18 players
started with 3000 chips each, hero currently at 4500
villain with about 6000
Blinds 100/200
reads on hero : raised last round for 700,making it 500 to go for the blinds and stole them succesfully, played a lot of small pots, slow played a fullhouse into showdown in a previous pot against villain.
reads on villain : average player,pretty basic with seemingly no feeling for pot odds. Called my 2/3pot bet with two high cards on the flop.
Action :
Player 1 : calls 200
Player2: folds
hero with TT : raises to 700, making it 500 to go
villain: raises to 1400, making it 700 for me to go
Players5-Player1 all fold
Pot : 500+700+1400 = 2600
I was thinking of reraising,juest because it was the second round i made the same raise, but in the end just called, getting 1:3,5 on my money, making it even ok if my opponent holding an overpair to my tens
hero:calls 700
Flop : 9 4 4 , with 2 cross
hero: ???
Hope i didnt made a two big plunder on that one ,thanks for posts
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Posted Thu May 17, 2007 10:09 am GMT by Jauron
While you might be close to the odds preflop if you thought he had an overpair I don't know that the stacks are deep enough to want to draw at him when it costs you nearly ~30% of your stack to play.
Now you've got one hell of a decision on the flop, and to me your only option here is to move all in, or check raise all in.
I prefer moving all in first so not to trap overcards into calling but you may get a call no matter what he holds now matter what you do. The pot has gotten out of hand.
Personally I move in preflop (after he raises us) or fold it I think, but when I do see this flop it's going in the middle every time if I act first.
Posted Thu May 17, 2007 2:49 pm GMT by Muck
Hummm after some thought I think I would re-raise all-in pre-flop too, just because I don’t think the flop is going to help you.
If the flop looks safe, i.e. no Ace or King, at least 2 different suits and no straight:
- You’ll feel safe and push. AK-J (missed hands) will probably fold. Overpairs will call.
If the flop is bad:
- He may have caught up, so can push/call easily.
- He now has the chance to bluff and there are a lot of hands you could be behind to after the flop.
Basically if you’re behind now you’ll very likely be behind post flop too and compelled to move all-in either through a push or call. If you ahead now, move now.
In addition to this:
- 6 handed so more likely ahead.
- Pre-flop I think you have more fold equity in your re-raise.
- All-in nullifies your positional disadvantage.
Posted Thu May 17, 2007 3:52 pm GMT by UrAteUp
1010 is a tough hand to play. As everyone else has said, you can either push or call pre-flop. Personally I like the re-raise/push pre-flop.
If I played this hand as you did and got that flop, then be assured I will push the river. Villian would most likely push if you checked and that would leave you with more tough descisions. With a push on the flop your leaving him with the tough descisions.
Posted Fri May 18, 2007 6:35 am GMT by Blise
The reason why i didnt reraise preflop was the opponent itself, as i said seemed as an average player, but i forgot to say that reraises seemed unusual.
Either i thought he had 77-99,(TT ^^ ) , JJ-AA or something like AK,AQ maybe AJ, but i could be really sure.
The Game was nine handed @ two post aboth
Really wanted an ace or king to come on the flop,had a pretty bad feeling on this one ^^ next time i will listen a little bit more closly to my gut.
here is how the hand ended :
Flop 9 4 4 with two cross
hero: moves all in
villain: calls showing AA which hold for the win
Yeah, were his third aces so far ^^ but doesnt matter,hated the flop, if i check i would have been 100% confronted with a raise, so I just shove it all in and blamed the dealer for not putting out an ace or king, didnt wanted to win that hand somehow, just didnt wanted to lose it all 
Thanks for responses, maybe pushing preflop would have been an idea, but as i said, i WANTED to see that overcard that would make my fold reasonable
intuition> logic sometimes, at least my logic didnt sucked completely
Posted Fri May 18, 2007 7:44 am GMT by supafrey
| Quote: | Thanks for responses, maybe pushing preflop would have been an idea, but as i said, i WANTED to see that overcard that would make my fold reasonable
intuition> logic sometimes, at least my logic didnt sucked completely |
Your logic here sucks completely.
Calling and pushing the flop here is good if your friend is call-happy with AQ/AK pre. It's also good if he's the type to lay down JJ to an overcard on the flop.
It would be better to push pre if he's capable of "throwing away" AJ/AQ/AK/JJ/QQ pre, or if he's watched a lot of WPT and likes calling with pairs <TT and only AK for unpaired cards.
Posted Fri May 18, 2007 7:49 am GMT by MrDarling
I think I can find a fold here PF.
Weak players min raise are either bluffs or real monster.
Usually they will call weaker pairs (or push if their stack is small compare to blinds)
So you either facing a race against a big A (though I don't see them reraising with even AK often enough) or you are dominated by a bigger pair.
You do not have enough chips to play for a set.
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