Posted Tue May 22, 2007 11:23 am GMT by MrDarling
well yesterday I had someone watch me play and commenting on my game.
First, if you never had someone watch you play, do it. It so refreshing to have someone with some knowledge comment on your moves as you do them.
Now we identified some of my leaks :
1. Fighting for small pots :
I really can't stand all those stabbers who keep stealing all the unwanted pots. So I use to c/r them often. A lot of the time I win the pot. But a lot of the time I lose my initial investment.
I think there is no need to fight for small pots, since people pay for your big hands as it is.
2. Too many c-bets. Even though I was always careful not to c-bet into 2 many players, I still c-bet too much. some flops are better to c-bet then others. Also, I discovered the delayed c-bet which can be used OOP as well as in position. you simply check the flop. If they check the turn as well, you can usually fire a c-bet regardless of the card. Sure I might give up on a lot of hands UI. But it costs me less in the long run (since c-bets are usually bigger the PF raises - I can now stand to lose 3 PR on every C-bet I used to lose)
3. I'm a very good player 
I am, really. My problem is I make one or two big mistakes a session that lead me to have break even sessions. For example today I couldn't fold my A's against a LAG.
There is still hope for me yet !
Danny
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Posted Tue May 22, 2007 11:39 am GMT by Ensano
the problem with someone watching over your game is that you have to be unwavering in your trust in his skills... I mean you have to have total confidence that he is a very good player otherwise any or all his input could just be BS...
for example... out of all my friends there WAS only 1 person that i would've trusted to watch over my play... then one day we got into a discusion about how he doesn't call AT ANY TIME with pocket pairs under 7s... not a limp... not even call a raise small or large... not heads up not even with callers...
well... i guess i don't have to say i don't really talk poker anymore with him... I never tap the glass...
Posted Tue May 22, 2007 5:21 pm GMT by Eusebio
glad to hear that!
Is this guy rentable?? :D
Posted Tue May 22, 2007 5:32 pm GMT by MrDarling
Having someone commenting on your game is always good, if you are able to make your own mind. Its the same like reading respond on this forum (or even worse on that other forum)
There are loads of different opinions and if you just take what they say and copy it without understanding, you are on your way to lose money.
However if you just think about what everyone says, you'll advance. Even if you listen to people who have no idea what they are talking about, it should make you think and make you come up with a plan.
in a side note, the morning session I finished even (even after 2 huge mistakes that cost me a buyin each and a cooler that cost me 1/2 a buyin)
and this evening session I finished with 2 buyins up (though I did run hot for the first half)
so things seems to change up. Though sample size is very small.
I do notice a big different in my game. Since I do not c-bet as often or try to represent hands I don't have, I no longer afraid from being played at. I welcome it. And I am much more relaxed while I play.
Not every pot is a war.
Basically I learned to be a nit
But an aggressive nit.
Next step, the maniac.
Posted Tue May 22, 2007 11:59 pm GMT by TomJQKA
| Ensano wrote: | the problem with someone watching over your game is that you have to be unwavering in your trust in his skills... I mean you have to have total confidence that he is a very good player otherwise any or all his input could just be BS...
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Obviously you wouldn't have someone comment on your game who's totally clueless, but you also don't have to believe they're a poker god either, as long as you don't take everything they say as gospel. Absorb their comments, think about why you do the things they say you're doing wrong and before changing anything make sure you agree that it really is a mistake. When adjusting your game based on feedback, be careful not to overdo it.
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 8:21 am GMT by gumbie
InterEsting to see your 3rd biggest leak is "BEING A VERY GOOD PLAYER" 
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 8:30 am GMT by MrDarling
| gumbie wrote: | | InterEsting to see your 3rd biggest leak is "BEING A VERY GOOD PLAYER" |
It is well established that good players lose at low levels.
Get with the program
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 11:59 am GMT by AHBrownell
I think joint sessions can really help people with their game. I had a friend of mine over, who I have been coaching on his poker game the past year or so. He came by my place recently and watched me play, occassionally making comments and asking questions. I noticed that I was playing a lot better with him sitting there because I was thinking about the REASONS for my plays. If a play was marginal I'd usually just fold it, or if I thought I could take a pot, I'd take it. If I made certain plays, I would immediately recognize why I was doing what I doing, or why I shouldn't do that in the future. Basically, it was a great learning session for both my friend AND myself.
Paul Wasicka took some heat for suggesting this in a magazine article from posters on "the other forum," but I think its a great tactic we should all use from time to time to sharpen our game.
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 12:14 pm GMT by crack
I usually ask my friend about hands, watch him play and when he can he will watch me play. I agree it is a great help, but it helps that they know what they are doing and don't rely on them too heavily because at the end of the day you are going to be sat on your own playing.
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 12:19 pm GMT by MrDarling
It really change things when someone who even just slightly familiar with poker watches.
You now HAVE to think about your action.
Usually I go into auto mod. And I call too quick, or check too quick or fold.... well, I never fold too quick, but you get the point.
When someone is watching, you start thinking and talking about future actions/streets. I still do it, when I raise I tell my self that I will fold if X raise or push if Y raise, etc....
Sure, if they know a lot you can actually learn from their wisdom, but even if they don't, you get to think about all the stuff you thought you knew again!
Highly recommend.
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 5:51 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
well just get some screen recording program
CamStudio is a free one, and record yourslef while playing
do it like ur making a coaching video,
noone has to ever see it, but u will talk and think about the hand, and
u can look at it next day, see where your thought were wrong
its better than just going through HH's since there u usually dont know what ur thought were on every hand
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 6:01 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Don't diss on your friends who suck at poker people. If you're a little clever and think outside the box, you can learn tons of useful stuff about poker from a bad player. For low stakes you'll probably learn more from them that is useful than anybody else could teach you.
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 6:55 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| AHBrownell wrote: |
Paul Wasicka took some heat for suggesting this in a magazine article from posters on "the other forum," but I think its a great tactic we should all use from time to time to sharpen our game. |
If "the other forum" is 2+2, the other forum can suck my left nut. I've met 14 year-old girls that HATE each other with more tact and civility than those idiots.
Posted Wed May 23, 2007 7:21 pm GMT by Dave B
I was playing 6/12 at the Mirage w/ Johnnyboy and I commented that I was in a bit of a slump. He asked if I always played so loose. My response was...HUH????
Here I thought I was the tightest player at the table. That made me make moves that clearly wouldnt work without a rock solid table image.
I had fallen in love w/ 65 suited 97 etc. I forgot my own advice that you can play these hands occasionally if you pick your spots (multiperson pots, etc).
I dont know how much I would have lost if he hadnt been there.
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