Should I be a calling station Part Deux |
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Posted Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:34 pm GMT by Phil14312
POKERSTARS GAME #10327965533: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/06/08 - 02:08:45 (ET)
Table 'Siarnaq III' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: C13NATION ($143 in chips)
Seat 2: steph16mtl2 ($370 in chips)
Seat 3: CoolHandDan8 ($270.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Vicious Vee ($134 in chips)
Seat 5: bucfan7 ($116 in chips)
Seat 9: celesteclub ($209 in chips)
Seat 10: langjei9889 ($222 in chips)
CoolHandDan8: posts small blind $2
Vicious Vee: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to celesteclub  
bucfan7: folds
celesteclub: raises $5 to $10
langjei9889: folds
C13NATION: calls $10
steph16mtl2: folds
CoolHandDan8: folds
Vicious Vee: calls $5
*** FLOP ***   
Vicious Vee: checks
celesteclub: bets $5
C13NATION: calls $5
Vicious Vee: calls $5
*** TURN *** 
Vicious Vee: checks
celesteclub: checks
C13NATION: checks
*** RIVER *** 
Vicious Vee: checks
celesteclub: checks
C13NATION: bets $10
Vicious Vee: calls $10
I don't remember why I raised preflop, its definately not standard here.
Another tough spot to call, much less overcall.
What does everybody think?
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Posted Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:49 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Vicious Vee might have 10 with better kicker here though ? Dunno I am not a limit player, A-10 I call here i think.
Posted Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:03 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Preflop raise is OK. Until recently, I underestimated how much value you get from having a bunch of people that never know what you're holding.
A terribly poorly played KJ here?
I agree with Ciso. I can't imagine you're good here, especially with the overcall. Either the bettor or the caller has to have at least a better T. I'd fold.
Even if one shows 77 and another shows A9, I'd feel OK about it.
I would've bet the turn though, to avoid these kinds of decisions. I'm sensing a pattern here...
Posted Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:41 pm GMT by Phil14312
Ok, I should have given some reads on these players. C13 was playing a lot of hands and generally being aggressive. Him not raising the flop meant he most likely had a draw and not some sort of made hand.
Vicious Vee was pretty bad, but I think rather straight forward.
I checked the turn, pretty sure C13 would bet and I could get a good sense of VV's reaction, he would always raise with a Queen or a straight here and call with his draws.
Now when I check the river, I'm definately calling when C13 bets, as its usually a busted draw from his flop play. However, Vicious Vee took a LONG time to call. I've found some of these timing tells to be pretty reliable when they deviate from the norm. Therefore, his hand clearly was weak, but he thought (as my line showed) I had no hand and that C13 could easily be bluffing.
So...thats my thinking going into my decision at the river.
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