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Posted Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:20 am GMT by Eusebio
Yesterday I flopped a set and villian made it pretty clear that he had an overpair by betting every street (pf 1,5/f 3/t 5).
board was
    
In the pot were about 20$
he bet 14$
My had was  
I am getting almost 2,5 on that call. No reads!
Can i call this?
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Posted Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:41 am GMT by jimmer
I'm thinking you've probably missed your chance. He may have a spade, he may not, but can you afford to call/raise? I'm thinking no.
I don't understand why you've put yourself in this position on the river. You had the nuts on the flop. Therefore if you didn't get all your money in on the flop, you should of done it on the turn, (or folded, if you thought he hit his flush).
The pot odds may say call, but that means nothing if your hand is worse than his.
What happened?
Posted Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:06 am GMT by Ensano
i agree; you missed your chance to raise... any spade has you beat here... you can call or maybe raise to rep the A  but you would need to have a good read on villian to do that...
if you put him on an big overpair you should've raised him at some point...
Posted Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:45 am GMT by Eusebio
I was planing to trap and get another bet from him on the turn, since he was oop (i was waiting for such a hand for about a month now... flopped no sets lately and if i flopped them, then it was with KK (without an ace) or a tiny bet took the pot. I wanted to milk him.
I planned to raise him on the turn, but when the 3rd spade hit my first thought was, if he has AA-QQ with a he cant get away from his hand, which (i think posthand) should be great, but during the hand i had a very starnge feeling about the hand (i guess you all know that kind of bad feeling). So posthand, I should have definatly pushed, i totally agree here!
then the 4th spade hits and he bets 2/3rds of the pot. I couldnt figure by betting patterns if he was valuebetting or trying to take the pot, so my thoughts went in following direction:
I was pretty sure he had an overpair to the board, since he raised a couple of limpers preflop and showed strength on every street.
There are 6 possible ways of having a pair. 3 contain a spade, 3 dont... I got 2,5:1 so better than i needed and called
Posted Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:37 pm GMT by jimmer
| Eusebio wrote: | | I planned to raise him on the turn, but when the 3rd spade hit my first thought was, if he has AA-QQ |
my first thought would be mmm, poss flush.
| Eusebio wrote: | | but during the hand i had a very starnge feeling about the hand |
.....but you still continued to play
| Eusebio wrote: |
I was pretty sure he had an overpair to the board, since he raised a couple of limpers preflop and showed strength on every street. |
even though you didn't have a read on them????????
| Eusebio wrote: | | I got 2,5:1 so better than i needed and called |
still unsure how you came up with this figure???
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:31 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
Villain could very possibly have A K
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:30 pm GMT by gumbie
Unless the villain is awesome or terrible u should fold.
AND PUSH THAT TURN
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:29 am GMT by General Sal
Yeah, it looked like he was trying to get value.
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:39 am GMT by Eusebio
@jimmer
i was pretty sure i can beat an overpair, so its a 50:50 situation... wether he has an ace of spades or not...
| Quote: | | Unless the villain is awesome or terrible u should fold. |
that the problem at those stakes...
some hands before I raised it in MP with ATs, I get 2 callers, one is BB... flop comes 9T5 Rainbow... BB bets 2/3 of the pot, i make it 3x that amount, LP goes all-in, for about 12$ in an 11$ Pot, BB calls, I fold...
BB has QJ, LP has KT...
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:28 pm GMT by jimmer
| Eusebio wrote: | @jimmer
i was pretty sure i can beat an overpair, |
I don't understand. At what stage did you think you could beat an overpair. I'm guessing it must of been on the flop? At no other time could you guarantee beating an overpair.
Unfortunately, you decided you didn't want to win it on the flop.
Posted Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:02 am GMT by MrDarling
By wanting to trap or milk him you got your self in a bad situation that can sot you more then it can make you...
This is not a great flop for a set. there are a couple of draws out there.
You should raise this flop. If he did have an over pair, there is no way most players fold it in this levels. Try to get your money in when you have the best hand.
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