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Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:29 pm GMT by MJJ
I was in Vegas for a trade show June 2nd and 3rd and played 1/2NL at Planet Hollywood's poker room both nights..
1st night- not very exciting, played 4 hours, won 200 when I floped top set against 2 pair, splashed around a bunch of other hands, left +150 for the night.
2nd night was insane- I sat down at a 1/2NL table and there was a guy from Mexico city who was bombed. He would play 80% of the hands and go all in whenever he thought he could buy a pot. In 4 orbits he bought in twice and had his stack up over 500 several times. On his last hand- I'm on button w/ 7 8 suited (~400) one limper before me and Mexican guy (~350) checks BB. Flop comes 2 6 8 (rainbow) and MP bets $15, I call and Mexican guy pushes. MP folds and Mexican guy thinks it's over- he laughes at MP and shows him A 3. Someone points out my cards to him and he tries to flip the cards back over but knocks them on the floor in the process. I ask the dealer if that counts as a muck, dealer says yes so i raise and take his stack uncontested... He was not very happy.
Then a Crazy Old Guy (COG) shows up and shows us the worst display of Hold Em ever. He would play 75%+ of the hands and always came into the hand for at least $25- about 1/2 the time he would push the flop. Everyone sat tight and picked him off w/ big hands (he would often show hands like Q3o when called) and he bought in maybe 10 or 12 times in 2 hours. Then he started complaining that he was at a serious disadvantage because everyone else had more $ than he could buy in for so we asked the floor person if he could buy in for 1K (the whole table agreed.) He changed seats to sit on my right w/ his thousand- I had about 1500 at that point and there were several players with 500-1000 in front of them. On the 5th hand or so I was in BB w/ KK- MP limps, COG makes it $40, I call, Mp pushes for $350 more- COG comes over the top for 1K total and I call. I figured MP could easily have AA w/ his limp/push but he had less than $400, so even if he beat me and I won against COG I would be ahead for the hand- I had no idea what to put COG on but I wasn't folding KK against him...
MP- JJ
COG-KJo
Me- KK
no help for anyone from the board and I stack another ~1500 up in front of me as both of them left the table. The crazy thing was that w/ $3000 in $1 and $5 chips my stack looked like something from the final table of the main event. I played another orbit w/ nothing noteworthy happening and ended up cashing out for $3100- not to bad for a $200 investment and 6 hours of cards...
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Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Quote: | | MP folds and Mexican guy thinks it's over- he laughes at MP and shows him A 3. Someone points out my cards to him and he tries to flip the cards back over but knocks them on the floor in the process. I ask the dealer if that counts as a muck, dealer says yes so i raise and take his stack uncontested... He was not very happy. |
LOL that's dirty. What an idiot, but pretty sure you were winning that pot anyway. 
Nice run.
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:18 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Sweet story and nice haul. 
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:42 pm GMT by MJJ
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Quote: | | MP folds and Mexican guy thinks it's over- he laughes at MP and shows him A 3. Someone points out my cards to him and he tries to flip the cards back over but knocks them on the floor in the process. I ask the dealer if that counts as a muck, dealer says yes so i raise and take his stack uncontested... He was not very happy. |
LOL that's dirty. What an idiot, but pretty sure you were winning that pot anyway.
Nice run. |
When he pushed I thought it was an easy fold- Top pair (8's) with a 7 kicker isn't a hand I was willing to play for all my chips. Once I saw his A3 I still had a sick feeling I would get sucked out on, although I wasn't going anywhere. The poor guy didn't understand enough english to know what was going on- he just didn't get how he had to put all his chips in but he didn't get to see the turn/river. They brought over a dealer who spoke Spanish to explain it to him but that still didn't seem to help... I think h eformally complained to the casino because a couple suits showed up at the poker desk and were talking to the floor people while gesturing towards our table.
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:08 pm GMT by Ensano
i could imagine he'd be pretty pissed on that...
a dealer once accidentally dealt me some cards... i looked at them and mucked them... right after i mucked someone at the table mentioned that i didn't post and the dealer made me post the 10$ BB... i called over the floor and told him that i never asked to be dealt in...
ruling... because i looked at the cards i had to post and obviously my hand is dead....
i was almost ready to walk out of the casino because of 10$...
someone freaking over 500+ is totally understandable... i'd still do the same thing as you did but I'd at least offer to pay for his buffet... or maybe that would just be rubbing salt in the wound
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:12 pm GMT by MJJ
| Ensano wrote: | | i'd still do the same thing as you did but I'd at least offer to pay for his buffet... |
The watch he was wearing was worth 20K, it wasn't about a couple bucks for him...
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:48 pm GMT by Ensano
pffff well it's Tethered Swimming for him then....
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:35 pm GMT by Dave B
Nice work Mike, so will you be increasing the stakes on the home game????????
Posted Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:41 pm GMT by JMX360
Wow, I hope most Vegas $1/2 NL tables are like this.
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:37 am GMT by raisebot
| JMX360 wrote: | | Wow, I hope most Vegas $1/2 NL tables are like this. |
Put it this way, I'd call my whole stack with top pair 7 kicker against about 75% of the players out here (having absolutely no information that villian was only holding Ace high)
The low limit/NL games out here are sick. Unless you go downtown- a lot of the 1/2 players downtown have been making a living off 1/2 for what seems like thousands of years- and they never, ever move up in limits. They destroy the 1/2 games every day, just playing solid, flawless poker every single time they play.
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:29 am GMT by Gogie
| MJJ wrote: |
I was in Vegas for a trade show June 2nd and 3rd and played 1/2NL at Planet Hollywood's poker room both nights..
1st night- not very exciting, played 4 hours, won 200 when I floped top set against 2 pair, splashed around a bunch of other hands, left +150 for the night.
2nd night was insane- I sat down at a 1/2NL table and there was a guy from Mexico city who was bombed. He would play 80% of the hands and go all in whenever he thought he could buy a pot. In 4 orbits he bought in twice and had his stack up over 500 several times. On his last hand- I'm on button w/ 7 8 suited (~400) one limper before me and Mexican guy (~350) checks BB. Flop comes 2 6 8 (rainbow) and MP bets $15, I call and Mexican guy pushes. MP folds and Mexican guy thinks it's over- he laughes at MP and shows him A 3. Someone points out my cards to him and he tries to flip the cards back over but knocks them on the floor in the process. I ask the dealer if that counts as a muck, dealer says yes so i raise and take his stack uncontested... He was not very happy.... |
I wouldn't be very happy either. According to Robert's Rules of Poker, "If you drop a card on the floor out of your hand, you must still play that card". (ref. here: http://www.poker.com/rulesofpoker/irregularities.htm)
Once play has commenced in a hand, any cards exposed by a player remain in play, unless "mucked" of course (again a quote from Robert's Rules: "A card that is flashed by a player will play"). I think it's quite clear from Robert's Rules that cards accidentally dropped or knocked onto the floor are still in play (and not considered mucked). I suppose a casino could have their own set of rules that differ from "Robert's Rules", but in the absence of specific casino rules I think the guy's cards should have been considered live and the hand played out. And I would definitely ask to see the casino's printed rules if they tried to rule my dropped cards as mucked.
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:01 am GMT by MJJ
| Gogie wrote: | | MJJ wrote: |
I was in Vegas for a trade show June 2nd and 3rd and played 1/2NL at Planet Hollywood's poker room both nights..
1st night- not very exciting, played 4 hours, won 200 when I floped top set against 2 pair, splashed around a bunch of other hands, left +150 for the night.
2nd night was insane- I sat down at a 1/2NL table and there was a guy from Mexico city who was bombed. He would play 80% of the hands and go all in whenever he thought he could buy a pot. In 4 orbits he bought in twice and had his stack up over 500 several times. On his last hand- I'm on button w/ 7 8 suited (~400) one limper before me and Mexican guy (~350) checks BB. Flop comes 2 6 8 (rainbow) and MP bets $15, I call and Mexican guy pushes. MP folds and Mexican guy thinks it's over- he laughes at MP and shows him A 3. Someone points out my cards to him and he tries to flip the cards back over but knocks them on the floor in the process. I ask the dealer if that counts as a muck, dealer says yes so i raise and take his stack uncontested... He was not very happy.... |
I wouldn't be very happy either. According to Robert's Rules of Poker, "If you drop a card on the floor out of your hand, you must still play that card". (ref. here: http://www.poker.com/rulesofpoker/irregularities.htm)
Once play has commenced in a hand, any cards exposed by a player remain in play, unless "mucked" of course (again a quote from Robert's Rules: "A card that is flashed by a player will play"). I think it's quite clear from Robert's Rules that cards accidentally dropped or knocked onto the floor are still in play (and not considered mucked). I suppose a casino could have their own set of rules that differ from "Robert's Rules", but in the absence of specific casino rules I think the guy's cards should have been considered live and the hand played out. And I would definitely ask to see the casino's printed rules if they tried to rule my dropped cards as mucked. |
In every poker room I have ever been in the rule is that the cards can't leave the table w/out becomming dead- obviously this is to discourage cheaters from swapping cards
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:09 am GMT by Gogie
| MJJ wrote: | | Gogie wrote: | | MJJ wrote: |
I was in Vegas for a trade show June 2nd and 3rd and played 1/2NL at Planet Hollywood's poker room both nights..
1st night- not very exciting, played 4 hours, won 200 when I floped top set against 2 pair, splashed around a bunch of other hands, left +150 for the night.
2nd night was insane- I sat down at a 1/2NL table and there was a guy from Mexico city who was bombed. He would play 80% of the hands and go all in whenever he thought he could buy a pot. In 4 orbits he bought in twice and had his stack up over 500 several times. On his last hand- I'm on button w/ 7 8 suited (~400) one limper before me and Mexican guy (~350) checks BB. Flop comes 2 6 8 (rainbow) and MP bets $15, I call and Mexican guy pushes. MP folds and Mexican guy thinks it's over- he laughes at MP and shows him A 3. Someone points out my cards to him and he tries to flip the cards back over but knocks them on the floor in the process. I ask the dealer if that counts as a muck, dealer says yes so i raise and take his stack uncontested... He was not very happy.... |
I wouldn't be very happy either. According to Robert's Rules of Poker, "If you drop a card on the floor out of your hand, you must still play that card". (ref. here: http://www.poker.com/rulesofpoker/irregularities.htm)
Once play has commenced in a hand, any cards exposed by a player remain in play, unless "mucked" of course (again a quote from Robert's Rules: "A card that is flashed by a player will play"). I think it's quite clear from Robert's Rules that cards accidentally dropped or knocked onto the floor are still in play (and not considered mucked). I suppose a casino could have their own set of rules that differ from "Robert's Rules", but in the absence of specific casino rules I think the guy's cards should have been considered live and the hand played out. And I would definitely ask to see the casino's printed rules if they tried to rule my dropped cards as mucked. |
In every poker room I have ever been in the rule is that the cards can't leave the table w/out becomming dead- obviously this is to discourage cheaters from swapping cards |
This possibility is effectively covered by Robert's Rules where they state: "Cards thrown into another player’s hand are dead, whether they are faceup or facedown". I would interpret this to mean anytime one player's cards are mixed in with another's, both hands are declared dead (both players have a responsibility to protect their own hands). So if two players are trying to collude by "dropping" cards on the floor and then swapping them, this rule would probably cover this. Obviously every situation should be handled with a little common sense as well.
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:21 am GMT by MJJ
I was actually trying to say if you were going to switch cards (as in pocket the cards you were dealt and use 2 of your own) it would be easier to get away w/ it under the table than on the felt...
In any case, I have never been at a poker room that would allow you to play a card that hit the floor...
I'm sure one of the dealers here can verify this
Posted Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:33 pm GMT by raisebot
It happens all the time (cards leaving the table and hitting the floor). In every situation this has occured where I've been dealing, I've always ruled it a dead hand- and not once has any other player (including the player whose cards I mucked), have ever requested to call the floor.
Cards being removed from the table is 100% unacceptable. The only possible exception is a player lifting the cards high off the table to "get a better look"- as long as I can see the cards, and I'm 100% sure no cards have been switched, I'll let it go with just a warning. But if it happens again, I'll call floor and let them make the decision.
But no way in hell am I going to let cards that touch the floor remain in play.
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