pushing in fear of the set? |
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:02 pm GMT by Ensano
i don't really see what else villian has that would play out like this... villian is 10%vpip/5%PFA/0.67postFA/40%WTSD
POKERSTARS GAME #10465707548: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/06/16 - 14:44:48 (ET)
Table 'Cheruskia' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: CGuill ($100.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Debonair ($62.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Ensano ($76.20 in chips)
Seat 4: warcoug ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Kutila ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Ramrod45 ($54.70 in chips)
Seat 7: vermine ($48.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Zeb Ryden ($48.35 in chips)
Seat 9: mjwheels75 ($26.55 in chips)
Kutila: posts small blind $0.25
Ramrod45: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ensano  
vermine: folds
Zeb Ryden: folds
mjwheels75: folds
CGuill: calls $0.50
Debonair: folds
Ensano: raises $1.50 to $2
warcoug: calls $2
Kutila: folds
Ramrod45: folds
CGuill: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Ensano: bets $3.30
warcoug: calls $3.30
*** TURN *** 
Ensano: bets $7
warcoug: raises $11 to $18
Ensano: ?
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:26 pm GMT by General Sal
This is "in fear of the set"? How 'bout in fear of the "nut flush" man? But, I really wouldn't be too afraid of the nut flush beating you, much less the set. Either way, in this spot you have to go all in. You have the best hand. Were you considering folding?
Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:09 pm GMT by Ensano
*** TURN ***
Ensano: bets $7
warcoug: raises $11 to $18
Ensano: raises $52.90 to $70.90 and is all-in
warcoug: calls $23.45 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ensano: shows (a flush, King high)
warcoug: shows   (four of a kind, Nines)
CGuill said, "flush vs flush"
warcoug collected $91.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $94.75 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: CGuill folded before Flop
Seat 2: Debonair folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ensano showed and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 4: warcoug (button) showed and won ($91.75) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Kutila (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Ramrod45 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: vermine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Zeb Ryden folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mjwheels75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:08 pm GMT by General Sal
You made the right play, see? He's a 3:1 dog on the turn.
Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:04 pm GMT by bcndiamond
Thats harsh! If I had to K high flush
i would just try not to think about an Ace d
but he was sick for calling your all in
Btw do you get those statistics from Poker Office ?
Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:09 pm GMT by General Sal
| bcndiamond wrote: | Thats harsh! If I had to K high flush
i would just try not to think about an Ace d
but he was sick for calling your all in
Btw do you get those statistics from Poker Office ? |
Those stats are pokertracker
Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:21 pm GMT by Ensano
in all fairness to him i could've been betting anything... TPTK for example...
he was calling 23.45 into a 70$ pot... he was getting almost the 3:1 he needed...
Posted Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:46 pm GMT by Phil14312
Whats the question. Are you afraid of pushing into a drawing hand?
Posted Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:09 am GMT by Ensano
| Phil14312 wrote: | | Whats the question. Are you afraid of pushing into a drawing hand? |
was kinda just looking to see if I was overplaying my hand a bit...
didn't really think so but on of my poker buddies made some comments that made me think...
Posted Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:45 am GMT by supafrey
| Ensano wrote: | | Phil14312 wrote: | | Whats the question. Are you afraid of pushing into a drawing hand? |
was kinda just looking to see if I was overplaying my hand a bit...
didn't really think so but on of my poker buddies made some comments that made me think... |
Lesson 1: The vast majority of your "poker friends", like the poker community in general, has no idea what they're talking about.
I still don't see what you're questioning here, though? Like - is your question whether your all-in is too aggressive because it might push off weaker hands?
Posted Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:07 am GMT by tame_deuces
In my book this is fairly standard every time we think an opponent has a hand which he will be hard pressed to fold.
Figuring out why is easy by going through the possible river scenarios.
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:58 am GMT by Poto
| General Sal wrote: | | bcndiamond wrote: | Thats harsh! If I had to K high flush
i would just try not to think about an Ace d
but he was sick for calling your all in
Btw do you get those statistics from Poker Office ? |
Those stats are pokertracker |
They could also be from Poker Office.
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:31 am GMT by UrAteUp
| supafrey wrote: | | Lesson 1: The vast majority of your "poker friends", like the poker community in general, has no idea what they're talking about. |
QFT..I don't think any one statement has more truth then this. No way your not going broke here unless you put villian on A  or the board paired and you thought he had the boat.
Maybe this should be in the bad beat section because you played it right, had the best hand and got sucked out on.
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