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Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:45 am GMT by Blise
Has anyone made experience with it ? Actually i am playing the lowest headsup avaible on stars with 5+0.25 which are nice and fairly easy to beat. At the moment i manage to have winnings sprees that last as long as 6 sessions in a row, on the average id say i win 4 out of 5 headsups.
The first question that i now ask myself is if I should advance to the 10+0.5 HUs .. Actually i think my good results are based mainly on the stupidity of some players that just come and play those 5+0.25 for fun combined with my natural luckbox gene. Are the Players one step higher really harder to playagainst or can i expect the same competition ?
Second question would be if my bankroll would allow me this "step" .Actually i have a bankroll of 160$, started with 30$ 2 and a half weeks ago (of course not everything in headsup, i experienced the 3$ turbo 6handed 6S&G to be little gold mines ... ). Should i wait until I have built it up to 200 or is 160 already enough ?
I hope my english doesnt suxxx hard, english has always been my worst subject ....
Thanks for replies
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Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:22 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
personally i'd prefer to have at least 30 buyins if possible
before moving up since swings in HU's are easy to happen
but if u feel like u can take shoot sooner just be sure
u move back down if it starts badly
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:11 am GMT by crack
Just a note, I read somewhere and have been told that there is no real huge edge in these so instead of building a bankroll from them, you might want to concentrate on full handed SnG's or cash games.
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:35 am GMT by Blise
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I play a lot of Sit&Gos, i make it atm half / half, but i discover that atm my Headsup results are just over the top, as long as i am in the zone i try to squeeze the last drop out of it  , just wanted to know if there is a chance that the 10$Hus are also so easy squeezable ....
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:35 am GMT by UrAteUp
I can't really see HU SNG's as very profitable unless I am missing something. You would have to win far more then you lose to even make some type of addition to your bankroll. I think it would be easier and better to go play a 6 handed SNG then HU.
Think of it this way...you win 5 you lose 5...you gained nothing but you have lost. The rake is $0.25 so you lost $2.50 and gained nothing.
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:51 am GMT by Ensano
play over 100 of these HU SNGs then come tell us how profitable... if you're ROI is over 20% i'll give you 10$...
fact of the matter is that your edge in HU isn't as high as you think it is... you would have to have at least a 60% ITM rate just to have a positive ROI...
you're better off sticking to full ring or 6max SNGs.. where you can easily get an ITM% of 45-50 and ROI of 35%...
but as for BR requirements go, you should have at least 30-40 buyins... normally i'd say 20-30 but HU can have a very high variance...
so when you have 440$ then jump up... but even then I'd only suggest moving up once you're played at least 100 matches at the 5+.25 lvl...
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:19 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
I play a lot of heads up matches on Stars. Strangly enough, I see no difference in the calibur of players in the $5 and $10 matches, but it seems when I play $20 and $30 ones, the skill levels are drasticaly increased.
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:21 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
| Code: | 1$ HU SNG's
Won Lost
88 53
Won % 62.41
ROI 18.88
Profit 27.95
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ensano looks like i wasnt far wrom wining 10$
as u can see 60% winrate gives u 18% ROI and not only even
u can make good enough money in HU's
true u cant multitable too many at start but still they dont last long usually and competition up till 30$'s isnt to great overall but table selection is important when u move up.
and i dont know where this myth of hu's not being profitable is comming
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:49 am GMT by Ensano
| Jernej Zorec wrote: | | Code: | 1$ HU SNG's
Won Lost
88 53
Won % 62.41
ROI 18.88
Profit 27.95
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ensano looks like i wasnt far wrom wining 10$
as u can see 60% winrate gives u 18% ROI and not only even
u can make good enough money in HU's
true u cant multitable too many at start but still they dont last long usually and competition up till 30$'s isnt to great overall but table selection is important when u move up.
and i dont know where this myth of hu's not being profitable is comming |
first off you're playing the 1$ SNGs... as you move up your opponents will be better and better thus lowering your advantage making your max ITM% lower
the profitability goes away when you have to maintain an ITM% of at least 60% just to keep your ROI over 15%...
you can't multitable HU where as in full ring SNGs you can easily 4table and keep your ITM and ROI the same increasing your hourly rate...
so for the sake of argument i'm going to say we play 100 hrs..also we'll assume the average HU takes 15 min and the average 9man SNG takes 1 hr... and we're playing 5+.50s
100 hrs of sngs X 4sngs/hr = 400 SNGs
400 X 5.50 X .35 (ROI) = 770$ profit...
100hrs of HU x 4 HU/hr = 400 HU
400 X 5.50 X .15 (ROI) = 330$ profit...
hourly rate for 4 tabling fullring is 7.70 $/hr
hourly rate for 1 tabling HU is 3.3 $/hr
that's a 130% INCREASE in profits by just playing fullring instead of HU... not to mention the higher variance you would experience with HU...
and argument can be made that you can multitable HU... but at the 5+.50 lvl and up you'll be drastically lowering your edge against your opponents and lets not forget we already need to win 60% of the time for THESE numbers to be accurate...
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:13 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
someone who can 4-table for 35% roi is good enough to keep 15% or higher roi playing 2 at the time
people play 200$ hus and can 4-6 table and keep 8%ROI
actually PS HUs are better since 1$ on VC have smaller stacks and bit shorter levels
compared to 5$ and 10$ ones and competition is only slightly better
main point it if ur results are good u can easily build a BR with them
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