Button move, how low do you go? |
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Posted Tue May 04, 2004 10:09 am GMT by Matt T
The setting is: NLHE, tournament (mid level), full table. When on the button (or maybe one off, or maybe in the SB) and all fold to you preflop, do you raise with anything and if not, how "bad" of a hand will you raise with. I know this depends on what type of players the blinds are so include that in your answer if possible. Include approx. amounts too if you could (in multiples of the BB). I'll say what I do (which is probably wrong) in a future post but I'd like to get some responses first. TIA!
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Posted Tue May 04, 2004 12:18 pm GMT by Geno
My answer:
Depends wot the two jokers to your left have been playing like all nite. U can't say there is a set formula for this.
Posted Thu May 06, 2004 3:02 am GMT by alphakenny1
yup, just like geno said, it all depends to the two people on your left. of course if they are tight then you sometimes, but not all the time, raise on the button. if they JUST call you can probably put them on a low pair or two big cards. if flop comes nothing then obviously you bet out. but if the two people to your left defend their blinds defend their blinds, then you shouldn't try it. but if you know that these loose callers call with anything then possibly you can raise with anything because you know they probably have a junk hand themselves. so for me, it all depends on the situation.
Posted Thu May 06, 2004 6:50 am GMT by feverpa
I agree with previous posts... it depends...
BUT... I like to make this play from one off the button... rarely from the button... it looks to obvious if you do it from the button... you'll often get re-raised by one of the blinds if they're paying attention and are decent players...
when there have been no callers, or just one in (just to my right - in mid/late position) I like to OCCASIONALLY raise with almost anything from one off the button... usually after playing tight for a while... getting in a hand... and winning when I show a very good hand... then a few hands later make this play from one off the button... it usually gets a ton of respect because even people who don't pay too close attention to table image will remember me not playing much lately... but winning with a monster...
this often will buy me the blinds, and if not, it usually puts me heads up with a player defending his blinds when he probably shouldn't... so he has junk (it might be better than mine)... so no matter what flops, I bet... sometimes I'll even re-raise him if he plays back at me... I'm sure I've convinced a few people that I was playing pocket rockets this way..
I've won hands with crap... where I've capped the betting against one guy pre AND post flop... then bet out again on the turn... he folded...
it doesnt' work all the time... and it shouldn't be tried too often or in the wrong situation... but if you pick your spots... you can absolutely bully your way to the win...
and one other thing..... NEVER show your hand after they fold... for all they know you DID have American Airlines...
Posted Thu May 06, 2004 7:33 am GMT by Matt T
Yeah, too many variables I guess. What I typically do in a nutshell is play it like a short-handed game favoring the high cards or any hand with an A. Usually continuing to do it until the one of the blinds shows me the error of my ways. I too like to do it one-off the button but not so much if the player to my left is a strong player.
Sometimes it works against you though, the other night I did it with AJs on the button. BB moves in and I call (this was not a full table, his stack was much smaller, the blinds are pretty big, and he's loose). He has J9o but ends up hitting the straight. When we flipped our cards up pre-flop, he says; "Oh sh*t, I thought you were just stealing!".
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