Best way to play low limit holdem? |
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Posted Thu May 06, 2004 7:16 pm GMT by Nate PT
At the local casino I play low limit 2/4 holdem. This summer Im gonna move up to 6/12 when I have money from working FT (Im a student) but for now I just to have fun and win some money. When Im there Ive pretty much played top 10 hands only and it works sometimes and doesnt other times. Everyone plays every hand to the river (90% of the time) and theres 7-8 callers per flop. Ive had Pocket aces beat by Q2 suited and worse on multiple occasions. What is the best way to play against these people?? I dont bring a ton of money when I go, usually 40 bucks so thats only 20 times the small bet but its usually enough to survive for a while. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
-Nate
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Posted Thu May 06, 2004 7:43 pm GMT by MasterShake
I would think about skipping a trip or two, building up the bank a bit and then heading to the higher limit table, just to test the water. If you can be more productive at the higher table, you could stick it out.
Posted Thu May 06, 2004 10:20 pm GMT by humbleman
I'll second Meatwad's response, definitely increase your bankroll. As for your other question, you can't really bluff in low limit (some would argue any limit) so if these yayhoo's are in it to the river for the long haul, play your premium hands consistently. Don't get into a shooting match to see who can chase to the river everytime....time and the %'s are against you. Most likely, chips are just being passed around between all the chasers as they take turns hitting... not a good consistent money-making strategy at all. As you move up in limit, you should see some drop off in the # of "permanent chasers" so to speak. Tired of chasers entirely...make the jump to NL :D
Posted Thu May 06, 2004 10:50 pm GMT by Nate PT
If only there were NL tables at the casino Id be all over it, thats what Im used to playing. Thats a good idea to just save up my bankroll for a while, Ill prob try that. Thanks
Posted Fri May 07, 2004 7:58 am GMT by Dave B
I play at the same place as you Nate...2 4 sucks! If you want to stick to 2/4, get there at about 5-6am on Sunday morning. You can find some decent players playing 2/4 that morning because of the $2000 tourney that starts at 11am w/ seated players at 7 (or 8am?) getting 1st shot at the tourney seats.
Otherwise, play improves at 4/8. If you dont like your table, you can always request a table change as well.
I like a table w/ 2-3 solid, real tight players, 2-3 aggressive players, a couple of chumps that we can all feed on.
Posted Fri May 07, 2004 12:28 pm GMT by Blarg
I'd skip those levels, as recommended. It comes too much down to mere luck when everyone's just taking every hand to the river anyway.
Keep in mind too that the lower you go, generally the higher the rake is. At these lower level games, the rake is usually equal to or greater than what a good player can expect to make per hour. For instance, at the Los Angeles area casinos I used to play in, you have to go to 15/30 before your average earnings per hour equal what the house gets out of you on the rake.
Another thing -- that advice about playing in the early morning is great on weekends. You get a lot of people who have been staying up all night and are burnt out, foggy, drunk, you name it. It's easy to stay up all night in a casino, and almost nobody plays their best when the've been up all night even if they're stone cold sober and not on tilt. Coming in optimistic and fresh as a daisy gives you a real advantage on those early Saturday mornings and Sunday mornings.
Posted Thu May 20, 2004 11:07 am GMT by Lizard
Blarg - Do you often go early in the morning? I am learning and trying to get any edge I can. 
Posted Thu May 20, 2004 11:47 am GMT by Always_Bored
| Blarg wrote: |
Coming in optimistic and fresh as a daisy gives you a real advantage on those early Saturday mornings and Sunday mornings. |
If im up up early on saturday or sunday I am in no way optimistic and fresh as a daisy. Im grouchy and ready to kill someone.
But I do know what you mean. I usually play the night shift. I sleep during the day then play poker all night because thats when its easier to win. Plus since ive slept all day it is like my day as oppessed to most of the people who worked all day.
Posted Thu May 20, 2004 12:53 pm GMT by SnakeOiler
My experience is $5/10 has been pretty good. Playing top ten is a good philosophy and will usually allow you to play awhile without going broke.
I like to raise in early position if I am going to bother playing a hand - "if it's good enough to call, then it's good enough to raise". I have found that at this level, most people I play with won't call a $10 bet with absolute garbage, so that tends to eliminate some of the trash.
A raise in late position won't eliminate anyone who is already in, so sometimes I'll raise because I want to build the pot to get a good payoff for my AAs. If nothing else, I found most people will check to the raiser, because either they don't have strong enough cards to pay another $10's (but will pay another $5 to hope the turn helps them) or they want to check raise. I will bet if I caught something good, or I will just check if the board concerns me.
I have been able to steel a pot with bluff on quite a few occasions if I start strong, am willing to bet all the way through the river, and the other people were on staight or flush draws. This only usually works after I have a good chip stack in front of me, and showed a few premium hand winners.
Posted Thu May 20, 2004 2:12 pm GMT by Big Mike Watters
Excellent advice folks. I am experiencing the very same thing at 2/4...
Posted Sun May 23, 2004 8:53 pm GMT by Blarg
Lizard -- I used to go early mornings on Saturdays sometimes. But I'm a real night owl, and my bio clock just doesn't like me getting up early much, either.
But I've stayed up all night many times playing, and a lot of old people come in early in the morning, because you naturally get up early when you're old. The good ones had a huge advantage on the fogged out people who had been up all night.
A lot of times you can play substantially the same poker even if you've been up all night, if you have good discipline. But...winning and losing can be a matter of small edges...even just a hand or two all night...so, if you can stomach getting up early, there's a nice natural advantage to it.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:31 pm GMT by hawghunter5150
| Quote: | | like to raise in early position if I am going to bother playing a hand - "if it's good enough to call, then it's good enough to raise". I have found that at this level, most people I play with won't call a $10 bet with absolute garbage, so that tends to eliminate some of the trash. |
There are also some really good books out there on low limit games. I play 3/6 it is also a suck out game, but better then 2-4.
Punish the callers with your better hands, make them pay dearly because they WILL suck out on you sometimes. So when you have the rocks dont slow play them, it will be unnoticed, raise them and raise them some more. You can make money at low limit- just understand its an entirly different game.
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:13 am GMT by sp3tz
Interesting, I've found I do alot better at night than in the morning. First, because I'm a night person and second of all what's better than a fish? Answer: a drunk fish :D The place where I play low limit people play Ax to the bitter end. I'm actually starting to love low limit poker because it's so damn easy if you can handle the occasional river swing.
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:11 pm GMT by TheDudeChad
For a completely different approach to 2/4, read this thread over at 2+2.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=462860&page=&view=&sb=5&o=
I've tried this online at .10/.20 tables where there is always about 7 or 8 people at the showdown, and its worked great. If its not for you, then that's fine, but its an interesting strategy that may work for you.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:42 am GMT by Cactus Jack
Chad, I'm straight, but if you were here I'd kiss ya! Anybody who hasn't clicked on that link above, play me next week!!!! Yeehaw. Finally, I've got some math stuff that I can work with. You are my best friend.
Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:40 pm GMT by smashbottom
I played at a 3/6 and got nailed by someone with a 5,4.. and I had Ace King(two pair)... I raised preflop hoping to scare someone with a shitty hand out.... but of course that guy got lucky...
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