Posted Mon May 10, 2004 2:32 pm GMT by Underbelly
I was in a tournament over the weekend with about 24 people. (Usually we have 30+ but we had a few no-shows this month) Anyway, I was gaving a real great night. I made all the right moves.
Top 6 make the final table. With only 7 people left (4 at my table, the other 3 were waiting), we just needed on more person eliminated to move on. I was the chip leaders. The next two players to the left of me were short stacked and the player to my right was about 75 less chips than me. (We were very close).
The big blind was to my right so I was the first to bet. I got pocket aces. I went all in. My hopes were either, A) one of the short stacks would call, or B) everyone would fold and I'd pick up the blinds. The last thing I expected was for Mike to my right to call me, which he did! Mike had never been this far and I figured him to ride his chips into the final table and not risk them like this.
He shows 7's and I show A's.
Guess what happens! Another 7 pops up on the flop! I'm down to almost nothing! A few hands later I went all in and was beat by a higher kicker! (By my own wife I might add)
The thing is, if it have gone the other way, I would have marched into the final table with a 3 to 1 advantage over the next highest player. Yet if I was a little less bold I could have coasted into a money position.
What do you think?
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Posted Mon May 10, 2004 3:12 pm GMT by Fat Tony
i can't fault you for playing it like that, but it depends on your tournament strategy. you have to decide if you want to try and coast into the money or try and win it. i firmly believe in playing pocket aces strong pre-flop so i think you were right even thou it didn't work out. that's gonna happen from time to time.
Posted Thu May 13, 2004 10:57 am GMT by krakajak
i wouldn't have gone all in preflop. i would have raised it just high enough so that the small stacks had to go all in.
Posted Thu May 13, 2004 11:13 am GMT by Dave B
I am all in w/ AA at that point in a tourney.
One question-why was the table of 3 waiting? They should still play too, if one gets eliminated, then the 2 remaining and all 4 from yours form the final table. Is this a house rule? What is the reasoning? I could see if you play 3 tables at 10 per table and take the final 2 from each table to the final, but you must have combined a 3rd or 4th table at some time.
Posted Thu May 13, 2004 1:43 pm GMT by nicthestick
I think a Raise of about 2/3rds the size of the small stack is the play in this situation. You are able to put the small stack allin, and still see the flop, allowing you to get away from it if something really scary comes, like 3 to a Str8 flush. No sense in going broke here. In early position, Doyle says to call with AA, and hope to reraise. I like a raise here, but not the allin. JMO.
Posted Thu May 13, 2004 4:00 pm GMT by Underbelly
Dave, the reason why three were waiting is that in this game we play with tables of 6 and when they get down to 3, you move on to another table that is down to three, making another table of 6. We don't shuffle tables as we play. I know this in not the professional way to combine tables but in a small group of regular players, its works.
Posted Thu May 13, 2004 4:23 pm GMT by Always_Bored
I think you played it right. The only thing that you may want to consider next time is just a large raise instead of all in. That way if you do happen to lose then you might still be able to coast into the money. But i dont think what you did was wrong. I probably would have done the same thing. Expecially since all of them are thinking that if they lose this they are not in the money. Im surprised he called with pocket 7's. I would not call an allin with 7's just outside the money.
Posted Fri May 14, 2004 9:33 am GMT by Underbelly
Your telling me. This guy had never made it far and I was figuring he was going to coast into the final table with the chips he had. Oh well, that's why we play!
Posted Mon May 24, 2004 1:12 pm GMT by Jauron
I just think all his money would of been taken anyway. The guy hits his trips on the flop. Then you would of been thinking, why didn't I go all in?
Tough break man, but you did the right thing in that particular situation.
Posted Mon May 24, 2004 1:44 pm GMT by racquet000
He caught his card, Theres nothing you can do, You had the nuts preflop. You did what i would have done. You just got outdrawn. It happends.
Posted Mon May 24, 2004 5:51 pm GMT by Sh1rp
I agree with Nicthestick's decision. Bet most of the low man's stack, then they really have to either go all in or fold, when they raise, he really can't call with his 7s... if he does, you can push all your chips in, now he REALLY shouldn't call... if he STILL does, wow. Also, when he won, the short stack (assuming he called) would have been out and you would have made it to money.
Posted Tue May 25, 2004 5:06 pm GMT by Underbelly
The more I think about it, the more I think I should have just gone in strong but not all in, like a few of you nice folks have mentioned. What really sucks is we play a monthly game and the sting of that third 7 will hurt until our next game on June 12. But that's poker and thats why we play!
Posted Wed May 26, 2004 2:28 pm GMT by Jauron
I disagree, I think even if you went strong, he calls. Then he hits his trips, you lead out and he raises you. With that board you just have to assume your hand is good. He's probably going to go all in and your not gonna going to call? (I would if I was him, and you lead again, or even if you didn't with that much money in the pot and you have deceptive trips?? your gonna get called by a large overpair) Even if you dont' call him he's gonna be happy with that pot.
Either way your money was gone. Thats a tough laydown if he does go all in especially since your not drawing dead even if he has trips. I've had guys flop top pair after I made it expensive and decide to go all in thinking I've only got two overcards....and most of the time calling them is exactly right.
And the thing is nobody is mentioning if he's willing to CALL an all in bet whats to stop him from going all in preflop if he thinks he's in a race with you or you'll fold? It's supposed to be tougher to call an all in than to go all in yourself.
Posted Wed May 26, 2004 4:50 pm GMT by Underbelly
I agree with what you are saying but I am taking what I know if this person into account. I know he just wanted to play his pair. I really don't believe he would have raised unless I limped in. He just wanted to play.
anyway, you are right, it's gone and over! June 12th, I'll try again with this group. God, how I wish we played more often!
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