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Posted Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:54 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Ok, so this is shortly after rebuy, no huge thoughts on this guy... I will say I almost checked behind on river, but I really feel like I have to be good here, maybe AJ is possible, but I really felt like I should make a bet...The bet on river is really small, but it's a price whereby I give him chance to call with ANY pair imo, plus Ace high, and maybe give him a chance to re bluff..although, should I fold to re raise etc....
Oh yeh, I could c bet, and I probly will like 50/60% of time, but I like checking behind in these spots too, and on turn I'm obviously betting to protect my hand and for value.
Gimme your thoughts guys
PokerStars Game #29595542352: Tournament #171772689, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2009/06/20 17:49:34 ET
Table '171772689 97' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: smarch (16125 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab (9275 in chips)
Seat 3: foufou04 (15075 in chips)
Seat 4: poloniais (4150 in chips)
Seat 5: maonico (5939 in chips)
Seat 6: måka (6480 in chips)
Seat 7: Jollyrogaz (17777 in chips)
Seat 8: guncam (9140 in chips)
Seat 9: rhodyram2356 (11325 in chips)
smarch: posts the ante 30
Neab: posts the ante 30
foufou04: posts the ante 30
poloniais: posts the ante 30
maonico: posts the ante 30
måka: posts the ante 30
Jollyrogaz: posts the ante 30
guncam: posts the ante 30
rhodyram2356: posts the ante 30
måka: posts small blind 125
Jollyrogaz: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab  
guncam: folds
rhodyram2356: folds
smarch: folds
Neab: raises 350 to 600
foufou04: folds
poloniais: folds
maonico: folds
måka: calls 475
Jollyrogaz: folds
*** FLOP ***    (pot size 1700 ish)
måka: checks
Neab: checks
*** TURN ***  (1700ish)
måka: checks
Neab: bets 975
måka: calls 975
*** RIVER ***  (pot size 3,600 ish)
måka: checks
Neab: bets 900
måka: raises 1100 to 2000
Neab: calls 1100....
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Posted Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:31 pm GMT by Muck
Well a LP call suggests a hand that’s not strong enough for a re-raise but he likes his position and could have potential. Yes AJ is in the range but I wouldn’t be surprised if he turned over KJ here.
KJ fit’s the betting pattern and it looks very much like you’re being milked.
If he had 33 it was a loose call IMHO since you don’t have a deep enough stack to chase trips.
Posted Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:01 am GMT by miaowmiaowchowface
just bet the riv a lil bigger. with ur silly betsize id call, nice induce
Posted Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:25 am GMT by Muck
I think after the Turn call I’d be tempted to check this down most of the time.
He wasn’t willing to bet the Flop but makes a big call on the Turn? The only hand in his range that 4 could have realistically helped would be suited spades, which seems unlikely.
Coming back to the bet, you did say it was low and aiming for a call but how many worse hands will call here? I think a busted flush is doubtful even if he has an Ace, but a slow played hand which is possible, will come over the top.
However, one supporting factor is that you’re in a tourney which does necessitate making moves.
Posted Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:16 am GMT by Ciso_B
Villain actually had A-4d here, I still like my line kinda, cos I think my hand is strong enough to value bet for sure, and the 1/4 bet on river enduces some craziness too,which i feel I can take. Or maybe I'm just overplayin 2nd pair lol.
Posted Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:50 am GMT by Muck
Well I'm probably underplaying them  I should stop giving players so much credit.
I mean ace rag vs a raise and out of position?!?! What happens when an ace comes on the flop?
Posted Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:00 am GMT by odlozilik
I think you check flops too often, why not to c-bet here? The flop suits your range well. Also, what's the point to bet 1/4 pot on the river risking to get raised? I would either bet at least 2/3 of the pot or check behind.
Posted Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:58 am GMT by Ciso_B
I'm not a huge fan of c betting, I still do it a hell of alot , but not 100% of the time. I can't go back to why at the time I didn't c bet, but im guessing its cos there are few turns that scare me if my hand is good, and I don't love getting check riased with 2nd pair here.
I guess my biggest reason is I have showdown value and can ascertain my opponents strength without c betting, and also just for pot control.
Valid point on the river, most people would check behind or value bet more. But like I have said a thousand times, I am not a robot. I felt like my opponent couldn't make a gutsy call for like 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot value bet, so I decided on 900 to get really thin calls, from ace high type hands and small pairs etc.
Poker is about getting the maximum value isn't it...
It was all in vein however since I'm beat neway, but again, I don't think I played the hand terribly,even though I'm beat this time, I don't hate my river call either tbh.
Posted Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:26 pm GMT by Assistance
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Poker is about getting the maximum value isn't it...
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....in a cash game
I do like you line and play in this hand
you showed pot control and only lost to a river suck out
~wp
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