Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:21 pm GMT by Kemics
In preparation for the THP series i thought i cant just play the NLHE so i thought i'll give some omaha a shot. Having never ever played omaha, i cant tell my ass from a hole in the ground. So i thought id splash in the micros to get used to the format
did i totally donk this up?
Also if anyone could point me in the direction of some reading that would help my game, would be great. I mean like uber basic theory 
(edit) - just noticed diamonds sticky, will read that  any extra readings still welcome
PokerStars Game #30416287234: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/07/13 18:14:31 WET 2009/07/13 13:14:31 ET
Table 'Hodios II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Chuckfromich ($1.01 in chips)
Seat 2: maradona8 ($6.73 in chips)
Seat 3: donrizi ($13.08 in chips)
Seat 4: jeromepo ($1.22 in chips)
Seat 5: em369 ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Kemics1 ($1.50 in chips)
donrizi: posts small blind $0.01
jeromepo: posts big blind $0.02
em369: posts big blind $0.02
Kemics1: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1    
em369: checks
Kemics1: raises $0.07 to $0.09
Chuckfromich: folds
maradona8: folds
donrizi: calls $0.08
jeromepo: calls $0.07
em369: calls $0.07
*** FLOP ***   
donrizi: checks
jeromepo: bets $0.02
em369: calls $0.02
Kemics1: calls $0.02
donrizi: folds
*** TURN *** 
jeromepo: bets $0.02
em369: calls $0.02
Kemics1: raises $0.22 to $0.24
jeromepo: folds
em369: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.22) returned to Kemics1
Kemics1 collected $0.48 from pot
Kemics1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.48 | Rake $0
Board
Seat 1: Chuckfromich folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: maradona8 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: donrizi (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jeromepo (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: em369 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Kemics1 collected ($0.48)
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Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:53 pm GMT by Kemics
PokerStars Game #30417451674: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/07/13 18:49:10 WET 2009/07/13 13:49:10 ET
Table 'Hodios II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: learnyqueen ($3.03 in chips)
Seat 2: Inarasmus ($3 in chips)
Seat 3: donrizi ($24.42 in chips)
Seat 4: losern ($2.52 in chips)
Seat 5: Ozryel ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 6: Kemics1 ($2.69 in chips)
losern: posts small blind $0.01
Ozryel: posts big blind $0.02
Inarasmus: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1    
Kemics1: calls $0.02
learnyqueen: calls $0.02
Inarasmus: checks
donrizi: raises $0.11 to $0.13
losern: folds
Ozryel: folds
Kemics1: calls $0.11
learnyqueen: calls $0.11
Inarasmus: folds
*** FLOP ***  
Kemics1: bets $0.44
learnyqueen: calls $0.44
donrizi: calls $0.44
*** TURN *** 
Kemics1: bets $1.06
learnyqueen: raises $1.06 to $2.12
donrizi: folds
Kemics1: calls $1.06 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kemics1: shows (a full house, Sevens full of Threes)
learnyqueen: shows     (a full house, Jacks full of Threes)
learnyqueen collected $5.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6 | Rake $0.25
Board
Seat 1: learnyqueen showed and won ($5.75) with a full house, Jacks full of Threes
Seat 2: Inarasmus folded before Flop
Seat 3: donrizi (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: losern (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Ozryel (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Kemics1 showed and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Threes
I would have given this hand up on the flop, but i thought i could make someone with a flush pay me off if i drew to my boat.
All the stuff i can find on PLO says nut peddle only. Should i be trying to stack off with second nuts, or is this a bad beat?
Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:38 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Hand 1, pop it up on the flop. Your wrap is quite strong.
Hand 2, potting the flop is probably not going to accomplish what you want. Once the turn comes, though, you're not folding, like ever. Second set can be a killer in PLO, but you don't really have a choice sometimes.
Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:31 pm GMT by Kemics
Would you recommend any books or sources to learn about Omaha, DC? something like the equivalent of what Harrington is to holdem.
Im really thinking about moving to Omaha as my main game, seems more interesting than holdem, as ive got a bit bored of NLHE. The Omaha games sure seem soft enough. Was one guy sitting with $35 on .1/.2 table and a max buyin of $3
Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:27 pm GMT by HalfSugar
Bear in mind I have limited Omaha experience and I play a lot more O8 when I play but I'd say hand #2 is not the best starting hand and I think I'd let it go pre-flop personally even 6-handed. DC?
Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:44 pm GMT by Kemics
Hows my river play here, the board pairing on the river scared me a little so i figured id go for a block/value bet, but probably laying down to raise. However, should i be checking here to induce bluffs/keep the pot down? Or should i just pot pot away?
Geno, i thought it was a good hand because i can hit so many potential flops, but maybe i should be looking to get in a little cheaper with these sort of non-premium paired hands.
sorry for spamming so many hands up, finding the love for omaha
PokerStars Game #30423831924: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/07/13 21:31:46 WET 2009/07/13 16:31:46 ET
Table 'Astraea VII' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: dive&drive ($4.74 in chips)
Seat 3: Guttsplatter ($3.13 in chips)
Seat 4: wildatheart7 ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 5: dmitriy222 ($2.52 in chips)
Seat 6: vollRakete23 ($4.09 in chips)
Seat 7: Kemics1 ($2.41 in chips)
Seat 8: calipsofipso ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 9: pivathechamp ($13.06 in chips)
Kemics1: posts small blind $0.01
calipsofipso: posts big blind $0.02
Vetal BOUNTY: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1   
pivathechamp: folds
dive&drive: folds
Guttsplatter: calls $0.02
wildatheart7: calls $0.02
dmitriy222: folds
vollRakete23: calls $0.02
Kemics1: calls $0.01
calipsofipso: checks
*** FLOP ***  
Kemics1: bets $0.10
calipsofipso: calls $0.10
Guttsplatter: folds
wildatheart7: calls $0.10
vollRakete23: folds
*** TURN *** 
Kemics1: bets $0.40
calipsofipso: calls $0.40
wildatheart7: folds
*** RIVER ***
Kemics1: bets $0.44
calipsofipso: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.44) returned to Kemics1
Kemics1 collected $1.15 from pot
Kemics1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.20 | Rake $0.05
Board
Seat 1: dive&drive folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Guttsplatter folded on the Flop
Seat 4: wildatheart7 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: dmitriy222 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: vollRakete23 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Kemics1 (small blind) collected ($1.15)
Seat 8: calipsofipso (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 9: pivathechamp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:06 pm GMT by Kemics
last one i promise
If on the river i still have the nuts, is it worth checking the river OOP to give people a chance to bluff it, or should i just be value betting everytime?
PokerStars Game #30424972565: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/07/13 22:00:52 WET 2009/07/13 17:00:52 ET
Table 'Astraea VII' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sundholm_h ($0.51 in chips)
Seat 2: Vetal BOUNTY ($0.86 in chips)
Seat 3: Guttsplatter ($3.69 in chips)
Seat 4: wildatheart7 ($3.44 in chips)
Seat 5: dmitriy222 ($3.04 in chips)
Seat 6: vollRakete23 ($4.49 in chips)
Seat 7: Kemics1 ($3.02 in chips)
Seat 8: calipsofipso ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 9: pivathechamp ($12.58 in chips)
dmitriy222: posts small blind $0.01
vollRakete23: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 
Kemics1: calls $0.02
calipsofipso: calls $0.02
pivathechamp: calls $0.02
sundholm_h: calls $0.02
Vetal BOUNTY: folds
Guttsplatter: calls $0.02
wildatheart7: calls $0.02
dmitriy222: calls $0.01
vollRakete23: checks
*** FLOP ***  
dmitriy222: checks
vollRakete23: bets $0.14
Kemics1: calls $0.14
calipsofipso: calls $0.14
pivathechamp: folds
sundholm_h: folds
Guttsplatter: folds
wildatheart7: calls $0.14
dmitriy222: folds
*** TURN ***
vollRakete23: checks
Kemics1: bets $0.72
calipsofipso: calls $0.72
wildatheart7: calls $0.72
vollRakete23: folds
*** RIVER ***
Kemics1: bets $1.10
calipsofipso: folds
wildatheart7: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.10) returned to Kemics1
Kemics1 collected $2.78 from pot
Kemics1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.88 | Rake $0.10
Board
Seat 1: sundholm_h folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Vetal BOUNTY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Guttsplatter folded on the Flop
Seat 4: wildatheart7 (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: dmitriy222 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: vollRakete23 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Kemics1 collected ($2.78)
Seat 8: calipsofipso folded on the River
Seat 9: pivathechamp folded on the Flop
Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:15 pm GMT by jimmer
I like the way you start your post.... | Kemics wrote: | | In preparation for the THP series.............. |
You do realise that as everyone else is also preparing for the THP series, every reply you get will be the complete opposite of the actual 'correct play'!!!!!!
Posted Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:15 am GMT by crack
Hand 1: Raise pot on flop. DC is right, the wrap with a pair is a powerful hand.
Hand 2: This is a good hand in PLO, Geno. Any 4 connecting cards is playable. I'm prolly not going to call with this hand to a raise and a pot rr, but as it stands I would play it. I wouldn't bet the flop but I would call a bet. At these small stakes I will not get away from a full house in this spot.
Hand 3: Not too sure about this river bet. If they were clever enough, they would realise this was a blocking bet and you had a straight all along and would raise this and make you fold, just like you said you would. This is far too small for them every to realise that though. You can probably get value from trip 8's but is he calling you down with just like top pair top kicker? I doubt it. I think you might be best just checking and give him the option to bluff it/value bet with the worst of it. If he has the best of it then you don't lose much and if he doesn't you prolly weren't getting paid off anyway.
hand 4: I'd rather just value bet this. Look at the calls on the flop when it's a rainbow board. With those turn and river cards, a lot of draws/two pair hands were made that may be scared to bet but will usually pay off. Value town those cunts.
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