Posted Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:50 am GMT by StarlightCoast
Should I chase flushes and straights after the flop? Assuming I have a 4 card flush after the flop but no pairs. Or assume I have an open ended straight after the flop but no pair. Also I'm not crazy enuf to stay if other players are betting hundreds of chips on their hands but what if the bets are the mininums? What then. Do you stay with it or fold it? I will assume chasing an inside straight is not worth discussing but if I'm wrong on that speak up please.
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Posted Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:08 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
if i flop 4 cards to the flush, i would be inclined to actually make a small raise, i think the odds are something like 3/1 against you making the flush so i would tend to bet that its gonna happen.
This has a twofold effect of knocking off limpers and increasing the pot should your flush come.
oh yeah i only really do this with a nut flush draw.
As for a open ended straight the odds are slightly worse (odds are not my strong point, but they are slightly worse) again i would be inclined to make a small(er) raise for the same reasons as above.
Obviously i aint gonna go crazy tho, and if someone is staying in with you and you don't make your straight/flush then you gotta be prepared to dump the hand and take the loss.
Posted Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:25 pm GMT by Ventrick
On the Flush draw you have 9 Outs, and then you have another 8 Outs on the open ended Straight. Giving you 17 outs. The bigger question is are you holding Suited cards or do you only have a single card of that suit with 3 of the 4 coming on the flop. If you're holding Suited I'd prob raise with anything over 10. If you're holding a single, and we already know it isn't the Ace due to the open ended straight draw then I'd prob be inclined to fold or call a small bet.
Posted Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:25 am GMT by Underbelly
No answer in poker is a straight forward as YES/NO. If after the flip a suspect another player of having a boat I won't even consider is. If not, and the betting is cheap enough, that I will. But it all takes into account how many others are in the hand, how they've been betting, how you've been betting, and what 2 cards you have in your hand. If you have a chance at the Nut flush that is totally different the a 10 high flush.
If you ever lost to a higher flush you'll no what I'm taking about!
So, if there is no possiblity for a boat or 4 of a kind and you have the Nut flush and the betting is right, I'd say chase it. As for a straight, I'll never chase a straight unless I can for cheap. (And never an inside straight). Straights are bad to go in big against because they not only be beat by a boat or a flush, but a higher straight. I don't know how many times a chased a straight and got it but the same card that gave me the straight gave someone else a flush!
Anyway, play the players not the cards!
Posted Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:52 pm GMT by racquet000
Well I didnt know what was just said cause im to lazy to read it all but the correct answer to me is pot odds. If the pot is 100 and a bet is $5 for your flush or stright draw and your pot odds are nice then your in favor. Your getting 20:1 for your bet. So in the end you have to figure. Paying $5 for a pot of $25 isnt worth as much of a draw as one for $100.
Posted Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:20 pm GMT by Underbelly
I do agree with racquet000 and I even read his whole post! I was thinking more along the lines of a no limit tournament in which I don't use pot odds that often. In a regular pot limit game, pot odd are always the way to go.
Posted Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:34 pm GMT by racquet000
In no limit you cna go on the same basis if the price is low chase for it. If its not worth it. Dont go for it. Try to put on an act to force smaller bets and put fear in the raiser to slow down.
Posted Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:32 am GMT by alphakenny1
it all depends on the situation. in limit play, usually you are getting good odds to chase. but in no limit its a whole other story. usually when i play these i'll play the player and the cards. if i know that my opponent is an agressive player who will raise w/ anything, then usually if he raises, i'll reraise. but if i know my opponent plays only premium hands and raises on the flop against my flush draw i might just call to try to bust them. i usually play the implied odds here. cuz if i know my opponent has something like 3 of a kind or top pair, i might chase the flush draw because if i hit, there busted cuz they can't let go of their set or top pair or even a straight. there is no set way to play these types of hands.
Posted Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:43 am GMT by StarlightCoast
Saw my favorite player Howard Lederer chasing flush draws last nite on tv. Figured if it's good enuf for him, it's good enuf for me. Haven't hit a flush all day LOL Also I have'nt had that many flush draws to chase either today.
Posted Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:08 am GMT by skel
I chased a flush. Had 2 spades. Flop 2 spades. I chased all the way to the river with big raises and went all in and never got it 
I wont make that mistake again. I lost 4 grand in play money 
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