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Posted Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:43 am GMT by Dr_RUSH
Hi y'all,
I recall reading a book eons ago on game-theory/winning poker strategy by a math guru N.C. Ankeny. It was very interesting to me at the time since I played mostly draw.
The key concept was to always ride at the "saddle point" bluffing frequency, meaning that for every specific powerhouse, say a flush, at a certaing (optimal) frequency bluff standing pat with crap. THis is useful in draw to "mix it up" in a way that always yields a net profit (all based on math, totally avoiding the murky waters of psychology).
I wonder if there is such a thing in hold-em strategies, say as to aggressively bet every 67 suited pre-flop as if it were any AA hand (4:6 ratio). If this is not at all part of it, I'd be grateful for thougths on the matter explaining why ?
thanx,
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Posted Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:06 am GMT by Dave B
I am not familiar w/ the specific strategy that you are refering to. But I 100% agree with what it is saying.
My problem-I only play premium hand and become to predictable after time. What I should do, is lay down hands on the bottom end of my range preflop (22-77, K 10, Q 10) and start playing more 5 7, 8 6, etc. I dont like the idea of simply playing more hands, but I do like removing hands that you would start w/ preflop and replacing them w/ others.
The benefit of being strong early w/ junk is that it is easy to fold. If you raise in limit w/ AK and the flop is J 10 2, it is tempting and expensive to call. Also, if As and Ks are flopped, you can represent the high pair and steal if players show weakness.
If you hit a low nut str8, 2 pair or trips, you are looking at a good chance at a monster pot. If you raise w/ AK and an Ace is flopped, people are going to be real careful with you.
Dr-do you play? often? new? For cash or for game theory?
Posted Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:58 pm GMT by RU469
Dave,
You may want to try this.
Randomly select a time when your not in early position to "play" a hand regardless of what it is. Only play the hand if nobody has come out strong before you. Then play it like you got it.
Even if the flop sucks for you bet it. If you cant win with it see if you can get away with calling minimum bets so you can show it.
Or you can be like my little brother and be an asshat. Just go all in the first hand of the Tourney with 2 7 offsuit. After everyone who bet folds, you show it.
Then he tells the table: "I have always wanted to do that, sorry"
Kills me.
Posted Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:48 pm GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | Then he tells the table: "I have always wanted to do that, sorry"
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Ha ha! That's great!
Posted Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:44 am GMT by Texas Lynx
| Quote: | | I recall reading a book eons ago on game-theory/winning poker strategy by a math guru N.C. Ankeny. It was very interesting to me at the time since I played mostly draw. |
I just wanted to ask if it's really good? Do you think I can find there something special? I've already read Brunson's System, Sklanski and other monsters. I need something fresh. 
Posted Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:00 pm GMT by Davey Gorgeous
The book you're referring to... Poker Strategy Winning WIth Game Theory or whatever the title is... does anyone have any feedback?
Is it worth the purchase if your primary game is NL Hold 'Em as is my situation? And are the principles still applicable? If Irecall correctly, the book was published in the early 80's... I want to make certain the the ideologies are still relevant and current to today's play.
Also, does anyone have any knowledge of any new books about Game Theory and how it is applicable to NL Hold 'Em?
Posted Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:32 am GMT by milo
Patience... Position....Instinct.... shift gears when playing with your regulars, stay tight aggresive in strange circles... Good Luck
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:30 am GMT by wiggie77
There is a chapter in The Theory of Poker by Sklansky on game theory. The book is about all different types of poker, but it's pretty informative, and it's the only book I've seen that discusses game theory in regard to poker.
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:13 am GMT by ZIPPY
It's just that I never saw Ankeny at any final tables or big-hitting cash games anywhere!
However as a maths guru, he is probably stratospherically rich from something I don't fully understand like traded exotic derivative arbitrage or something...
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