Posted Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:15 am GMT by MrMe
I put soomething in the wrong forum I suppose, therefore here again my question how to play any pair under the gun in a NL tourney.
Thanks,
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Posted Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:24 am GMT by Dave B
low pairs are playable, but garbage. High pair are great but dangerous. Can you be more specific?
Posted Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:20 am GMT by nicthestick
I think it depends on the level of the tourney that you are in, and the texture of your table. If it is early, and the blinds are small, I will take a turn with a small PP UTG. If the table is limping a lot of pots, Great, Im in there, but if alot of pots are getting raised, Muck Muck Muck. You cant stand any pressure with a small PP preflop. really you are trying to hit a set right?? so that is a 2 outer. Dont risk alot of TC to draw to a 2 outer, unless the situation is right. Late in a tourney when the blinds are big, I might make a substantial raise UTG with a small PP to pick up the blinds. It is all situational.
Posted Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:49 pm GMT by MrMe
HI,
Thaks for your message. More specific. Well currently I read through sklanski's book tournaments for advanced players, <not me yet>, and he describes his system where you simply go all in or fold. This based upon the odds you are laying to pick up the blinds.
Example: Highest bankroll on the table 5794
Blind lever 50/75
5794/125 = 46.35
Multiply this by the number of players yet to act, included the blinds
Example: 3 x46.35 = 139.05
let say 2 people limp in then you multiply x 2+1 =3
That makes 139.05x3=417
Based upon this key number you know where and when to go all in
I hope you are familiar with it so you could give me a good response.
Is there any body using this?
Thanks
Posted Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:49 pm GMT by nicthestick
not a chance that "the system" will work with the "quality" of todays players, both online and in B&M tourneys. Sure, in a game with excellent players, it might work, but I will never try it.
Posted Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:37 am GMT by primetime32
| MrMe wrote: | HI,
Thaks for your message. More specific. Well currently I read through sklanski's book tournaments for advanced players, <not me yet>, and he describes his system where you simply go all in or fold. This based upon the odds you are laying to pick up the blinds.
I hope you are familiar with it so you could give me a good response.
Is there any body using this?
Thanks |
I would have to agree with nic. That system would only work against professional players in a big tournament. but when you are playing online you will get alot more callers because people are very loose. You also have to remember that plaeyrs will call more often online because they can always join a new table within seconds of getting knocked out.
at the WSOP once you are out, you are out, so players will fold A-K or K-K against a player going all in early, but online people will call an all in with A-J or even pocket 9's, so your advantage is out the window.
I would focus more on the "gap concept" and how it applies to Nl tournaments. I would also read 1 or 2 other books to get a different feel on how to play the game.
Posted Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:57 pm GMT by UMCorian
I think it really all depends on how many people are playing and how many people see the flop. Low pairs aren't garbage - I've gotten ALOT of money off them, especially on rag flops when people think you are just trying to buy the pot. If you are small blind and will be under the gun after the flop, that's an ideal time to raise, especially if you have only one other person in the pot with big blind yet to act. I'd triple the blinds and make it expensive to play. Of course, fold if it's been raised and reraised. Sometimes, you can get an outright fold, other times you can see a flop of pure rags and still have a mediocre hand to keep putting pressure on.
The best part of playing like 44, 33 and 22 is that if you make your set, no one is going to see it coming if you play it well. If there is no straight/flush possibilities, slowplay and give a free card hoping that someone makes high pair or two pair. That's when you really get paid off. The only time that can blow up in your face is if the board pairs As or Ks (those are the ones that usually get past the preflop after a raise) on 4th or 5th street. Either way, I'd still fire a bullet. If they come back with a reraise, either get out or call if you are getting good pot odds.
Posted Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:47 pm GMT by Replic
Anything below 99 I try my best to slip in cheaply and hit my set, let others bet into me. I've made stands on stuff like 66 or 88 before, but hey, those were short stack times.
They're best as "stealth" hole cards- hard to put someone on them.
Posted Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:44 am GMT by Ventrick
I try to see the flop as cheaply as possible with a small PP. Going all in to just steal the blinds is just innane, you're betting alot to win a little. You have to steal an awful lot of blinds to make up for everytime your low PP All-In gets called and beat.
Posted Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:03 am GMT by mattmiller
This is kind of hard to answer...and i'd probably vary the way I play my pps under the gun but, basically, i'd fold 2-6 or so...throw out a raise of 3 or 4 times the BB with 7-J, just call with QQ, and double the blinds with AA or KK.
Posted Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:54 am GMT by MasterShake
Call with 2s-8s, double or call with 9s-JJs depending on the table and raise 3-4x the BB with Qs-As
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