Posted Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:22 pm GMT by pathomps
Anyone heading to Trump this weekend?
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Posted Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:51 pm GMT by mindgame
Sorry, my DSL's been out for over a week or I'd have posted. Actually I was there Sunday morning. I only had a couple hours to play and I was up $250 going into my last hand. It was shorthanded, only four of us at the table (not my ideal game, but hey, I was winning). Anyway, I'm under the gun--which is almost on the button in 4-handed. I come in with a raise on 88. Flop is 3-8-9. Now in a four-handed game this is one sweet flop, as I don't have to tell you. I bet out and get one call from the button. Turn is another 3. I bet again, get raised; I re-raise and get capped. I may have been able to raise again, I'm not sure at Trump...but I was getting a bad feeling about this. I think someone flopping two pair raises me way back on the flop, but an 8,9 has a chance of being in there (calling that $20 cold if they are suited and the guy's feeling frisky). Anyone flopping a set of threes probably raises, too, but this guy tended to keep quiet anyway until the higher betting phase. I'd like to think I'm up against a smaller boat, but who the hell calls $20 cold with a 8,3 or 9,3? (maybe an A3 suited??? and he thinks trip 3's with the ace are worth $80?).... there are the quads and the nines to worry about. I've only seen this guy call one three-bet in two hours, but I think most people would have played pocket threes exactly like this, except I'm raising my set on the flop. Pocket 9's? I would have pre-flopped raised to find out something about that first raiser if I can.
The last card's a duece or some other useless thing...I've still got this boat, 8's full. I still like it enough to bet again...he comes right over the top like a cat on a mouse...okay. I call. He had the pocket nines. I walk out up $100, having lost $150 on that last damn hand.
Unless you're a 60 year old portly black gent, it wasn't you, either. That's a hell of a beat in a four handed game. Earlier I'd flopped a set and got cracked when the turn and the river were both Aces. Someone had called with Ace/little, flopped a small pair and landed on Aces full to take that boat I certainly didn't want to the trash can. If I'd have left 4 minutes sooner I'd have won 150% more. That's what it cost me to wait for the button.
Posted Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:01 pm GMT by pathomps
that wasn't me mindgame, sounds like you were playing 3/6, no fold em....was there on saturday afternoon for about 4 hours, ended up 40 down playin 3/6, think i'm going to move up to 5/10 cause i have to imagine the play is better at that level, people would get very lucky and consider it good play, giving out "nice hands" all the time, sometimes there bad play worked for me......wasn't catching many cards, the best was when i was dealt pocket A's and the flop came up with undercards, i raised pre flop, raised again on the turn, then on the river, the fourth spade dropped, fortunate for me, i had the ace of spades, which won me a decent pot, other than that, not very eventful, took down a few pots, lost a couple.....
almost forgot, i'm in the BB again, get dealt 9, 5 clubs, the betting gets capped pre flop so i fold, if i would have stayed in, would have won at least a couple hundred with a straight flush
lastly, betting gets out of control again so i fold, if i would have stayed in, would have won with quads, oh well...
the only thing that kinda bugged me was that when i told the people around me what i had for the straight flush, they couldn't believe i folded, that's just ridiculous...
Posted Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:19 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
40 down in a casion 3/6 game seems like a good day :)
Posted Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:38 am GMT by boden12
don't feel bad losing to pocket 9's. a few days ago i had pocket 9's and called a raise preflop in a 4/8 game in early position. flop is 8-4-2 with 2 hearts, pretty kickass for 9s except pre-flop raiser bets out again (says something like 'didn't you hear me ask for little card?) and I call thinking I'm up against a better pocket pair. turn is a 7 of diamonds, he bets again and gets 2 more calls. river is a 9 of hearts for a board of 8-4-2-7-9. i've got top set, but there are 3 hearts on the board. i'm sort of worried about the flush, but figure i have at least the better beat. i now bet and get 2 calls better mutters about the flush, i flip up top set, he shows 5-6 for a straight and the other caller has j10s (hearts) for a BETTER straight and the flush.
with no pair on the board and the top set i lose 3 ways to 2 hands--and have the worst hand in the showdown. OUCH! tho i probly shoulda just dropped the hand, esp. since i didnt have a 9 of hearts. tho i woulda STILL been drawing dead anyway if i did have the 9 of hearts and no flush came.
Posted Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:21 am GMT by Nate PT
| pathomps wrote: | | that wasn't me mindgame, sounds like you were playing 3/6, no fold em.... |
I dont think he would've lost $150 in one hand playing 3/6....
Posted Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:59 am GMT by mindgame
Quite right. It was, sadly, 10-20. That's why I was a little miffed. Limping in with 99 pre-flop in a four-handed game????
You can't possibly trap with that hand...I mean what are the odds you'll catch someone preflop with a smaller pair that also hits a set when you do???? Your logical, money-making play...at least this is my bias here...is to push out those people calling you with overcards. And what better way to do that than when you can force the blinds to cold call $25 and $20? Most good (aggressive) players who have pairs 10 or higher will even three-bet him here when is beat (Why not? You have KK and make a set on the flop and you're done making money against a lower pair anyway.)--so he's getting info that he really needs.
Oh, don't get me started...I'm hyperanalyzing a hand I could scarcely have played any differently. Although if he had played the hand more aggresively pre-flop I am very likely to believe that flop totally missed him--that he had at least 10's, Jacks, AK. Then I would have lost another $100 on the hand.
Posted Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:22 pm GMT by pathomps
heading back tomorrow after work to try some 5/10, making the jump from 3/6, can anyone give me an idea how different the play is, i thought 3/6 was somewhat poor
.....then i have $100 NL tourney on Saturday, wish me luck!
Posted Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:51 pm GMT by mindgame
Well Trump can get a little crazy on Friday (it's payday, mahn.)
Definately play 5-10. The real idiotic, never-foldem hold'em guys are bottom-feeding down there at 3-6. Play at 5-10 is more stable. If you find that only 4-6 guys are seeing the flop, just play value (only) and be aggressive as hell. Then after an hour or so, when people kind of catch on that you aren't to be f*'d with, start coming in near and on the button on Sklansky's groups 1-6. Raise most of the time if no one else has--that can get you a free turn card. Let me know how it goes.
If you are consistently seeing 6+ people taking the flop even if they have to pay a raise or two, take your chips down to the crap table.
Posted Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:38 am GMT by pathomps
Thanks...
What do you mean by playing for value? Tight? Also, haven't read Sklansky's yet, but it is on my list so don't know his 1-6 around the button.
Thanks for the info again.
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