Posted Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:02 pm GMT by StarlightCoast
http://www.lowlimitholdem.com/starting_hand_selections.htm
99 - 22
Suited AKs - ATs, KQs - KTs, QJs Axs, KTs, JTs - 65s, QTs - 97s
Unsuited AKs - AT, KQ - KT, QJ JT - 76
The link is to a starting hand chart and the under the link is a copy and paste of starting hands from the late position only on another site with a starting hand chart. The link for late position lists unsuited connectors from 10 9 all the way down to 75. Isn't this a bit on the loose side even for late position. Granted i will go in with 10 point suited connectors from the late position but what about the others such 97 or 76 Its hard enuf catching anything when their suited but these two sites reccomend it with unsuited. Am I wrong on this and should I be calling and seeing the flop with these cards in the late position. I play .25/.50 Limit Holdem sometimes .25/.50 NL and NL SNG's and MTT.
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Posted Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:47 pm GMT by metal1
if you can see the flop cheap in late position then yes. any raises and you have to think twice about calling. some of the unsuited one gappers i don't play much
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:25 pm GMT by Jauron
I don't like one gappers unless they are at least 10, Q and then I don't even consider them to be one gappers, but two face cards.
You need good implied odds to play suited connectors, you need a few people in the pot with you to make it worth your while, especially low ones.
Posted Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:13 am GMT by howzit
i say feel free to take a flop in NL. Limit, you'll need at least 5 to 1 on your money. Preferably 6:1.
Usually in NL, if I'm the first one to bring it in passive game, I'll come in w/a raise. Even w/6-8 suited. The potential of taking the pot on the flop is high plus you may take the blinds and move on to the next hand. However, I will fold this hand if I'm on the button and everybody folded.
The blinds will only call if they have a better hand.
A maniac raising preflop and I have position, then I will DEFINTIELY CALL. 100% Only exception is when there is a re-raise in front of me. Anything down to 7-6 suited.
But feel no pressure to drop this hand if there's like 5 people in the hand and the board has two face cards. Somebody hit and your potential flush draw won't come cheap. not to mention, somebody is probably sticking around w/the nut flush draw. but, if there's one ace or a king on board w/four to the flush and a gut shot straight for my connectors, count me in. I might even re-raise the flop. It looks like I'm playing my ace but I'm looking to bust them when I catch my gut shot.
BTW, this is when my stacks are higher than average. If I'm nursing a shrot stack, i'll muck until i get something stronger.
Posted Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:35 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| howzit wrote: | Usually in NL, if I'm the first one to bring it in passive game, I'll come in w/a raise. Even w/6-8 suited. The potential of taking the pot on the flop is high plus you may take the blinds and move on to the next hand. However, I will fold this hand if I'm on the button and everybody folded.
The blinds will only call if they have a better hand.
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I'm confused as to how your first scenario is different from the second. Raising in mid position with players to act behind you is riskier than the button raise, so why would you muck the same hand with better position? I also would expect the blinds to make some loose calls for two reasons: 1) they're already invested for part of the pot; and 2) your raise on the button might be perceived as simply a steal attempt, and one or both of the blinds may call hoping to hit something on the flop.
I would expect the blinds to see an early raise as a sign of strength. Getting called in that situation is more perilous than the call of a button raise, IMO.
Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:08 pm GMT by TheDudeChad
Remember that the site is only designed for extremely loose limit hold'em. You should probably only try this stuff in games when there are about 7 or 8 people to the flop every hand (ie. micro limits). The hand described are basically designed to flop monsters or nothing. You are only moving to the turn if you have a straight draw, flush draw, or two pair or trips. These hands are winners and are much less likely to get outdrawn, which is what your trying to avoid. The implied odds in these no foldem games are so incredible that it makes up for the fact you'll miss the flop or be outkicked. Just think of that 1 hand out of 10 that you'll flop a straight, trips, or two pair, get called (even raised) all the way to the river, and win a monster pot. With the 7-5 you questioned, you don't continue to the turn with anything less than two pair or a straight draw. If you miss, you only wasted 1/2 BB. The biggest mistake here is to continue to the turn with just bottom pair, crap kicker. That's when you'll start tossing your money into someone else's stack.
Posted Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:12 pm GMT by howzit
sean in NJ,
as a personal move, the slight difference between raising in cut off or two from the button is the appearance of raising w/a marginally strong hand, (A 10, or KQ) rather than the steal that it is if I'm raising it from the button.
Barely a difference but trying to lift the blinds from button has been the cause of some memorable losses as blinds put me on a steal and came over the top.
It's just a move that I don't do more than 10% of the time in cash games if I'm on the button w/connectors and it's been folded to me.
Posted Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:54 am GMT by BMiller1980
Those starting hang charts are somewhat misleading. If there is only one caller in front of you and you hold 75off then it IS NOT a good idea to make the call. If you do, then you are more than welcome to play in games with me. On the other hand, if there are 5 callers in front of you then you are getting good odds to go ahead and see the flop. The starting charts often only refer to hands you CAN play from a certain position and not necessarily hands that you SHOULD play. While they are a good starting point for beginning players, it depends on the type of game you are in and how many callers are in front of you.
Posted Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:11 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
i dont think its a good idea to play gapped cards. and i barely find myself playing suited connectors. unless im in late postion and can see the flop for cheap. just rember, in a no limit game, you need a stronger hand to call with than you need to raise.
example: if your limp in middle position, and someone behind you raises, your going to think twice about your 98 suited.
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