Posted Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:15 pm GMT by SmilinMark21
a question please
i have AJo on the button in a £10 pot limit tournament (6 players at table) after the rebuy stages, on the button i raise the pot after no raises before me, the big blind comes over the top of me and reraises me all - in, if i dont play i will be very short stacked now. i played and he turns 10-10
my question is, was i wrong in playing? i know he was favourite, but would you have laid this down
just out of interest, all the limpers passed
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Posted Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:43 pm GMT by Dave B
AJ is a hand that FREQUENTLY hurts me. But unfortunately, I cant seem to stop playing strong with it.
Anyway-if you have already committed 1/2 of your stack and will get 4:1 odds if you call, I dont see how you fold with it. Esp if the blinds will leave you with less than 20% of the blinds.
Posted Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:11 pm GMT by SmilinMark21
one thing i should have added is that i know from my father ( who knows the chap with the 10-10 ) that in general he only plays premium hands on the build up to final table, so i made him for being over me with a high pair, just felt with my hand it wasnt worth throwing
i guess i felt pot committed with the size of bet i made and him coming over the top with pushing me all in
anyway glad i amnt the only one who would have played this but wish i hadnt and think next time i might consider folding...
Posted Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:15 pm GMT by Big Mike Watters
Yeah...the way it went down, I'd say you did the right thing...and yes...AJ, suited or no, hurts me too almost always. Unless you flop two pair...I almost always lose with it.
TT does the same too, though. Any face card on the flop is murder. I think I have collected mebbe one pot with TT ever. Just my luck I guess.
Posted Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:20 pm GMT by jwrussell
I see nothing wrong with the call. You are in a race situation. And I have to agree with everyone. This tends to be a trouble hand for me as well. Then again, Anything with a J in it is trouble for me! 
Posted Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:42 pm GMT by SmilinMark21
thanks all for your comments, its just i am learning and as per always i went away thinking, i knew he had a better hand than me pre flop but i felt committed so called and my hand is within top 20 starting hands so its hard to let it go
thanks again
Posted Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:21 am GMT by skyfire
I agree that AJ is a tough hand for me to win with but at the same time it's even harder to let it go. I would have made the same call especially if it would leave me with a short stack if I folded. I have to say that it's good to hear that this is a rough hand for you all too. I thought I was the only one. 
Posted Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:22 pm GMT by Carson Cashman
In these situations you should try to plan out what you'd do if he raises ahead of time...
Ask yourself this: if he had just called the bet, is there a flop you would have folded to had he made a bet that would of put you all in? You'd be in the same situation regarding stack size, so if the answer is no you may as well go all in preflop and get that slightly increased chance he'd fold.
Very late in a tourney is usually the time when you need to really open up with your betting. I see nothing wrong with calling the reraise, but would rather be the aggressor myself.
Posted Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:24 am GMT by JimTheBullet
He siad in the first post that it was a pot limit tourney Carson. You don't normally have the all in option pre flop in a pot limit game unless somebody has already bet the pot before you or you are very short. You often want to go all in but can't, you are forced to let somebody take a flop with you sometimes knowing that you are going all in whatever drops.
Posted Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:07 am GMT by Replic
With computerized smart folding (ie, they're not staying in with 2 7) at a 10 person game, with 10,000 simulated hands, AJo has these percentages:
29% win, .65% tie, 71% loss (it rounds off decimals when its a fulll integer or higher.)
Now, observe AQo, the next highest hand:
33% win, .55% tie, 66% loss.
And AKo:
36% win, .52% tie, 63% loss.
Not the significant difference. IMO, AJ off, or even suited, is a strong hand, but also has a big temptaion- I would NOT risk a tournament or a significant amount of money on it UNLESS I was short stacked, or the person moving in is short stacked.
So essentially, I believe you were right to do it, but don't become attached to the hand. It's hurt me as much as it's hurt Dave probably.
Posted Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:52 am GMT by groton
AJ is a good hand but its not the hand i want to see when my Turny is on the line
Posted Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:56 pm GMT by suprastyxx
i played on royal vegas for their college world series of poker tourny last semester and the first three tournies i played AJ was the hand i held when i got knocked out of the tourney...for some reason it seems like a strong hand when in reality it isn't. there were actually times when i folded AJ to a small raise and 90% of the time, it was the right move
Andrew
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