Posted Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:17 am GMT by krakajak
I'm wondering if I made a bad fold. the hand history is below. When he 3 bet me, I thought about what hands he could have, and decided AA, KK, QQ (but unlikely), or AK. Maybe JJ or TT as well. I checked on the flop because I was sure he would raise, and I didn't want to spend too much if I the had second best hand. When the A came on the turn, I thought about the hands he might have. Of those, the only one I could beat was jacks, and that there was only about a 10% chance that he had them, so I folded.
Hand #1853512-11107 at Hood River ($.25/$.50 Hold'em)
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Started at 07/Jul/04 02:42:36
chop-choi is at seat 0 with $24.75.
GottaWinSum is at seat 1 with $21.75.
JayyDoggB is at seat 2 with $15.30.
BallBoy_ is at seat 3 with $4.40.
farkelsr is at seat 5 with $24.05.
PAYMENTS is at seat 6 with $16.85.
scumpuppy is at seat 7 with $27.
Dick Reno is at seat 8 with $28.35.
RiverDog2 is at seat 9 with $12.40.
The button is at seat 5.
PAYMENTS posts the small blind of $.10.
scumpuppy posts the big blind of $.25.
chop-choi: Qs Qc
GottaWinSum: -- --
JayyDoggB: -- --
BallBoy_: -- --
farkelsr: -- --
PAYMENTS: -- --
scumpuppy: -- --
Dick Reno: -- --
RiverDog2: -- --
Pre-flop:
Dick Reno folds. RiverDog2 folds. chop-choi raises
to $.50. GottaWinSum folds. JayyDoggB folds.
BallBoy_ re-raises to $.75. farkelsr calls.
PAYMENTS folds. scumpuppy folds. chop-choi calls.
Flop (board: Ts 2d 4h):
chop-choi checks. BallBoy_ bets $.25. farkelsr
folds. chop-choi calls.
Turn (board: Ts 2d 4h Ah):
chop-choi checks. BallBoy_ bets $.50. chop-choi
folds. BallBoy_ is returned $.50 (uncalled).
Hand #1853512-11107 Summary:
$.15 is raked from a pot of $3.10.
BallBoy_ wins $2.95.
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Posted Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:00 am GMT by Sh1rp
I think you should have bet the flop to get a better feel for where you were at. But don't listen to me, listen to the next guy to respond to this as most people here are much more knowledgeable than myself in the ways of the deck.
Posted Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:37 am GMT by Dave B
I dont play a lot of NL, but I am for sure reraising w/ QQ preflop-up to 10-20% of my stack. And w/ rags on the flop-esp rainbow, I am betting (reraising in this case) more than pot.
Even w/ his $.50 bet after the A hits on the turn, I would be tempted to reraise. That will tell you if he has the A or not. If he just calls, he will likely check to you on the river, then you can fire another shot or just check. If he reraises, then you can get out of the hand.
Posted Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:41 am GMT by jwrussell
I'm with Dave. You had a read on the guy that said he would bet on the flop so I would have done what you did, check it. But definately not call the bet he threw out there. You've got to raise that substantially. If nothing else but to see where you were at. When you checked the Ace you were begging for this guy to hit you hard with a bet.
You could very well have been behind once the turn hit, but I think your real mistake was the flop play. Rainbow, no str8 possibility flop you have GOT to bet with that hand. You know the players in the hand better than us, so if you are positive this guy had a wired pair, then it pays to raise to see how good they are. That being said, this guy could just as easily been on A,K or K,Q. One more consideration.
No way to know if you made the right decision, but I think the post flop play probably killed you. Ahhh, just noticed you were playing limit. In that case, if you were going to check call the flop, I probably would have check called the rest of the way just to be sure. This kind of low limit stuff, people bluff with all kinds of hands. Again, you know what this guy was playing. If he was only playing strong hands then you know better than us. If he was the typical .25/.50 player, he could have had anything.
Posted Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:55 am GMT by Dave B
I missed the limit too. QQ I am capping preflop, capping the flop, calling the turn (after the A hit) and calling the river (unless you hit a Q).
Posted Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:26 am GMT by snoogins47
Right right...
NO reason to call that bet.
If you're checking because you know he'll bet, check-raise the bastard.
Unless you know this guy intensely well, like, you've played with him all your life and know he wouldn't 3-bet without KK or AA.... you need to cap this preflop, and definitely either bet initially, or check-raise on the flop.
If the turn hits an A, I'd probably just check/call this. A raise isn't the worst idea in the world, and I'm sure many people could make a case for it, but at this point, I'd probably just want to show this hand down. Your raise, if indeed you ARE beat, which is fairly likely, is going to cost you an extra 2 big bets that you don't need to put in here. Given perfect circumstances and the perfect player to attempt it on, I might make a play at this after the turn, but 99% of the time I'd probably call it down. Turn comes, you still may not be beat. And if you are, you've got, while it's a long shot, the chance of spiking a Q on the river, and if you do, your implied odds are huge.
Basically, you can get more money into this pot when there's a very, very good chance you're ahead. And granted, if you had, and it played out like this, you'd probably end up having to call it down, and losing... but that's how poker goes. Bad fold? Probably not. Bad play? I would say so.
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