Posted Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:25 am GMT by honestbleeps
Blinds are 20/40 - two limpers, I'm in middle position with 99, short-ish stacked with only 650 in chips
There's a couple of limpers, I raise to 210 - everyone folds around to the small blind, who calls...
Flop: 2 K J
Hoping the caller missed the flop, I push all in.. caller calls
I show 99 - pair of nines...
Caller shows 27 offsuit - pair of twos...
The turn is a 7, river is a blank... two pair beats my 9's...
27 offsuit called a raise of over 5x the big blind, and then called an all in with bottom pair on the board to catch two pair... how's that for a bad beat?
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Posted Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:08 pm GMT by ballbp
Yep, you see that stuff all the time. You going all-in was risky but calling with 7 2 was just plain dumb.
Posted Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:30 pm GMT by Fat Tony
yep, that is not unusual at all. your use of the term "bad beat" is not appropriate in this case IMO. you went all-in with a medium pair when there were two overcards on the board, so your hand was average at best. sure the other guy had absolute crap, he simply got a bit lucky. if he had beaten trip aces or something similar with 72o, then THAT would be a bad beat. sorry for rambling on about this......overusing the term "bad beat" is a pet peeve of mine. 8)
Posted Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:43 pm GMT by Scott1101
Right on Fat Tony, you and I are on the same page when it comes to the way overruse of the term, "Bad Beat".
Your story did crack me up though. It wasn't a "bad beat" in the true sense of the word but I have to admit that I would be cracking up if I was at a table where I saw someone turn over 7 2 off in a pot that was raised that much!
I played in a local free-roll at a neighborhood bar a week ago. It came down to me and another player and the blinds had gotten VERY high to the point where you had to play whatever you had. So, I took her all-in with A 4 and she called with K J. For some reason, she was very happy with the K J and confidently watched as the dealer turned over the the flop. Anyway, I caught a 4 on the turn and ended up winning with a lousy pair of 4's. She said "Oh my god, i cannot even believe that I just lost to a pair of 4s !!!!!!!!"
She was all pissed off for hours and walked around telling everyone that night about the "bad beat" she experienced when her K J lost to a pair of 4s. It was the strangest thing I'd seen yet in poker. Pretty funny to see her steaming, I must say. But I just couldn't understand how she didn't seem to realize that I would have won with Ace high even if the 4 hadn't come up.
Posted Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:01 pm GMT by Fat Tony
that was good story, but i would have loved to have seen her face if she had lost to A high.
Posted Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:15 pm GMT by honestbleeps
i'm going to have to respectfully disagree about the use of the term "bad beat"...
As far as I've ever understood the term, a bad beat is when a vastly less powerful hand outdraws a winning hand, and in particular, when the bad beat-ER made a poor decision to end up beating the bad beat-EE...
Me going all in with 99 and 2 overcards doesn't mean that being beat by 27o is not a bad beat. However, if I went all in against AK and cried that it was a bad beat because I was a statistical favorite before the flop - I could see your argument that it is not a bad beat, and I would agree.
Posted Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:29 pm GMT by Fat Tony
everyone has different standards, but the way i see it, any hand that is average at best that gets beaten (no matter how crappy the other guys hand is) i can not and will not ever call a bad beat. 8)
Posted Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:36 pm GMT by Dave B
Bad Beat-overwhelming favorite (for me-at least 8 or 10: 1 favorite).
However........I do think that you shouldnt call it a bad beat unless you had a certain winner going in. You have trips and someone goes runner runner to make a flush off a rainbow flop-that is a bad beat.
You make a poor play, that worked out to be a winning play, and got beat. There were a TON of hands on the board that would have beat you-that is no bad beat.
Posted Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:43 pm GMT by Scott1101
Yeah, I'm in agreement with Dave and Fat Tony. To further define a bad beat, it is a hand that is not only a huge favorite but also one that you played "correctly" and still ended up losing. For example, raising to triple the big blind before the flop with AA and getting called with 2 7 and outdrawn is a bad beat. On the other hand though, starting with AA, deciding not to raise because you want to be greedy, and then letting 2 7 limp in on the BB and he catches a 7 7 2 flop is not a "bad beat". That's just you getting greedy and paying for it by not thinning the field.
All this talk about "defining" a bad beat is kinda silly, I realize. But it's fun to talk about, right?
Posted Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:56 pm GMT by honestbleeps
| Scott1101 wrote: | Yeah, I'm in agreement with Dave and Fat Tony. To further define a bad beat, it is a hand that is not only a huge favorite but also one that you played "correctly" and still ended up losing. For example, raising to triple the big blind before the flop with AA and getting called with 2 7 and outdrawn is a bad beat. On the other hand though, starting with AA, deciding not to raise because you want to be greedy, and then letting 2 7 limp in on the BB and he catches a 7 7 2 flop is not a "bad beat". That's just you getting greedy and paying for it by not thinning the field.
All this talk about "defining" a bad beat is kinda silly, I realize. But it's fun to talk about, right? |
Well, I agree with you about how you play the hand... Limping with AA is a recipe for disaster in a multiway pot... though in this particular play, it was heads up, and I believe I did play it correctly:
a) I raised big preflop to isolate and/or see where I was at, why would 27o call?
b) It may have been speculation or luck, but I correctly assessed that the flop didn't hit my one opponent's hand (I'd never all in with two overs in a multiway pot, that's just silly!)
Anyhow, it's fair to say we all have different ideas of bad beats, and what their degrees are.
If it makes any better of a "bad beat", I got this exact same bad beat last night, only I had KK, there were no overs on the board, 2 10o called my 4x the blinds preflop raise and pushed all in against me with a pair of deuces on a rag flop (2, 6, 7 - rainbow) only to pull his 10 on the river after I called. You could say I played that one far more correctly for the conservative folks here 
bad beat or not, i'm sure we can all agree it fits under the "upsetting outdraw" category :-p
Posted Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:19 pm GMT by Fat Tony
here's something a little closer to a bad beat that happened to me last weekend when i busted out on the first hand. i'm in the BB and we started with 1000tc. i get dealt K 10. everyone calls pre-flop. flop is K K 10 so i flopped a pretty powerful boat and promptly move all-in and 1 guy calls. he flips over A 3 so he only has the board pair of kings against my kings/tens full. why he would call an all-in with kings on the board i have no idea. i think you can guess what happens next......he catches running aces for aces over kings and i'm done. the point of this is that you gotta have a pretty strong hand cracked to enter the "bad beat" category, no matter what the other guy has. at least IMO.
yes, yours were definitely in the "upsetting outdraw" category. :D
Posted Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:01 pm GMT by Scott1101
Yes, FatTony, THAT is a classic, textbook bad beat!!! Oh my god!
Posted Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:18 pm GMT by Fat Tony
| Scott1101 wrote: | | Yes, FatTony, THAT is a classic, textbook bad beat!!! Oh my god! |
what made me want to dribble his head like a basketball was that he honestly believed he made a great play on that hand when in reality he was very foolish to have called and got very, very lucky. but hey, bad beats happen sometimes, just not as often as everyone thinks. 8)
Posted Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:22 pm GMT by ballbp
Yeah if anyone wants to know what a bad beat is, this is a prime example. Don't forget though Tony, with the odds of losing that hand again you're way ahead.  Tough luck man.
Posted Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:28 pm GMT by Ninja
Heh....I had something like this happen to me...playing with a friend for fun (no money), got AA, went all-in preflop, he flips 27o :D flop is 2 7 9, no help for me.
I'm glad it was for fun, not for real dough. :D
Posted Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:44 pm GMT by jwrussell
OK, so here's one that may not fit the "textbook" definition, but it is still one that had me WAY steamed!
I start off with KsQc in the small blind. BB checks, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, +3 folds(sorry I don't know the correct abbreviations for the middle guys), +4 calls, Button folds, I raise, BB folds, UTG+1 RAISES, +2 calls, and +4 calls and I call. 4 way pot.
Flop comes 5s, Kc, 6h.
I bet, +1 calls, +2 calls, +4 calls...
Turn 8h
I bet, +1 calls, +2 folds, +4 calls...
River 8s
I bet, +1 raises, +2 calls (might have had me beat with A,K, but I'm guessing no with no raises) and I call.
F***er UTG+1 turns over 10, 8 OFFSUIT (Ok just rechecked this hand (think I need to stop dwelling on it? ) and it was 10,8 clubs, so it was suited.) for runner runner TRIPS!!!!
My monitor just about went across the room on that one.
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