Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:14 am GMT by peterl
This happened to me twice in one night in SNG's the other day - a pair flops giving me trips, and I bet the shit out of them and end up losing both to better kickers. What are the odds of two players (out of four seeing the flop) having trips off of the one pair on the board?
Should I slow down when I have trips with a moderate to lousy kicker? Or was it just a freak night?
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Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:33 am GMT by ballbp
I would bet those the same way you did. Of course I would have to know that another player could have the other card but I wouldn't bet lightly being scared of that. When they're low trips, even if the other guy did have the trips, you see split pots more than kickers coming into play. That's just bad timing that you got out-kicked twice on those.
Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:48 am GMT by Dave B
What are you playing preflop? Were you in the blind? If you are playing junk like A7 K8 that will happen all the time.
You will often kick yourself for mucking those hands, but keep track, in the long run you dont want to play them.
Now shorthanded (under 4-5) I will start to play most aces, but I still toss the Ks w/ bad kickers.
Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:10 pm GMT by Fat Tony
dave is right on the money, IMO. A 7 is a much better hand with 4 players than with 9 or 10. i'd also junk the K 7 or similar low kicker most of the time.
Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:13 pm GMT by peterl
I know there is what seems to be an almost irresistible temptation to criticize the pre-flop decision based on the outcome of the hand.
But let's say on both occasions I was BB and limped. In one of them the board had a pair of 8s, and I had 8-10, beaten by 8-Q. In the other 10s were on the board, A-10 beat my J-10.
I'm asking whether I should look for warning signs in this situation. Frankly if I had K-7 and Ks paired on the board I would be inclined to slow down because opponents are more likely to have a K in order to limp in.
Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:31 pm GMT by Geno
If the board is gonna pair, I'd much rather make a set with my lowest card every time.
Posted Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:42 pm GMT by Fat Tony
well, once you've seen the flop and make a set, of course you bet it. just realize that there's a decent chace that you get out-kicked.
Posted Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:09 am GMT by The13atman
| Geno wrote: | | If the board is gonna pair, I'd much rather make a set with my lowest card every time. |
Exactly.
Posted Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:36 pm GMT by howzit
if you flop set and somebody's w/u and u need to evaluate what their kicker could be I would try to use starting hand requirements. The higher the pair on the board, the more kicker trouble you'll be in. board comes 6 6 k, you hold 6 8 on the button. Are u really in kicker trouble? Probably not as the only hand u worry about is A 6. Think about the other hands that could be out there.
7-6
6-5
6-4
probably not K-K
you're in good shape.
But if flop is 10 10 7.
you got
8-10
9-10
J-10
Q-10
K-10
A-10
7-7
Posted Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:39 am GMT by Flesh2Flesh
I always consider a pair on the table as a warning sign
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