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Posted Sun Feb 09, 2003 4:11 pm GMT by Guest
How do you beat a table full of beginners?? Is it possible? They bluff like crazy, stay in with trash hands and draw out on me all the time, will call any bet, and are completely unpredictable because of their ineptness. Is there any way to consistently beat them? Or should I find a new game with better players?
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Posted Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:47 pm GMT by texasmike
Play tight. They will stay in whether you raise or not, so just play your very best hands.
Posted Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:36 am GMT by tego
Its like they say: If he acts strong his bluffing, and the other way around. They are just so easy to read sometimes. 
Posted Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:56 pm GMT by JimiHWannaBe
gotta get the beginers tells they are really easy to read a couple good ones are the big stares down after a large bet usually means bluff, hesitation when they are throwing the chips in the pot means bluff, putting the chips in very strong usually means bluff, strong pulse in the neck means bluff, looking away from the table usually means strong hand, shaking when counting out the chips means strong hand, any attempt to convey weakness like just weakly slide chips in to the middle usually means strong hand. these are just general guidelines but they are mostly true against begineers
Posted Fri Jan 02, 2004 8:37 am GMT by bobbyd
Tomorrow night I am playing a goon like this. We played with him a couple weeks ago and he "bluffed" every hand. We are all hoping to take him down fast and knock his big head off his shoulders before he starts packing up and heading to Vegas.
Posted Fri Jan 02, 2004 3:41 pm GMT by Poker_Vendetta
Usually the answer to this is to play very solid poker. Solid of course meaning tight. Do not try and trap unless they are bluffing like nuts, if they JUST call you value bet the heck out of your hands and make it insanely expensive to see their draws. You should just play pretty straightforward since they sound like amateurs and wouldn't knew if you had aces if you told it to their faces. Do not try and bluff at all--considering they will call it, ENCOURAGE them to continue playing this way since it's maniacal no doubt and when you get a good hand you will be sure to extract maximum profit from their stupidity.
Posted Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:08 pm GMT by mindgame
I hate playing with beginners. Avoid it. It hurts your game. They are unpredictable because they don't know what he heck they're doing. Unpredictable players are dangerous. Dangerous players are expensive.
I say it hurts your game because you frequently must un-learn sound play in order to beat them. Example:
The other night I'm in a hand with AK suited. Pre-flop I raise and get re-raise and I cap. I'm not worried too awful much about the re-raiser because her most likely hands are QQ, JJ, or AK...AA or KK would be tougher to make. At any rate if she hits her hand I have to miss and I can get out quickly. But three guys call all this action.
The flop was a mess. 5, 6, 9 (rainbow suits). I'm not all too worried here. Everyone checks to me (only one caller was behind me). I bet. I get four calls. The re-raiser is done for now, so I'm guessing I've got her hand figured and I'm hoping it might even be KQ, maybe suited.
Turn is a 7. Player 1 bets, my original re-raiser calls, player three raises. Now what the hell? Someone make a set? Two pair? Hit the inside staight??? Doesn't matter....I'm gone. The player behind me (on the button) drops and player one re-raises (this takes it up to $30). My re-raiser calls again (??--to use chess notation) and the other guy caps.
Now stop and think about this. ONE of them surely has an 8. But how do you even call a capped pre-flop bet with an 8 IN YOUR HAND??????
And what in God's name do the OTHERS have?
So I'm figuring (out loud....which is deeply frowned on) while the girl contemplates calling that last $10 capping bet...If you can call with an 8, the only hand that makes sense is a pair of 8s. Who would call $20 pre-flop with 89 or 78--even suited? Or a A8???? Nobody with any sense of the game. And the seven must have given one of them a set (pocket 7's going in????) But what about my "call-anything-now" early-re-raiser???? Does she honestly think her high pair can have any chance now? Someone at the table opines (in answer to my speculations) that a reasonable explanation is a guy with an 8 10 and a guy with an 8x. I respond that calling all the action pre-flop rules these hands out...but what else can they have...
Well, the river was a K and changed nothing. All three players payed $40 dollars to see the showdown. AND>>>>>
One player had A8 offsuit!!!!!! One player had 85 suited (I'll call them dumb and dumber)!!! And the gal had a pair of Jacks and a VERY bad case of DENIAL.
YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IDIOTS ARE DOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW. But thinking about it ruins your game. You have to learn to entertain possibilities that just can't happen in a good poker game.
Posted Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:27 pm GMT by JimiHWannaBe
you have to play very solid mathematical poker vs. begineers
Posted Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:25 am GMT by JohnnyCache
You just play real tight.
And ride a cheap hand out about every five hands or so. Beginners don't associate betting with bluffing per se - they focus more on staying vs folding then they do on smart betting . . . so you hold one till the end once in a while to keep them from thinking you are playing tight, and you sting the HELL out of any good hand you get, 'cause newbs almost always call. And when someone drops a lot of chips they almost always think you are bluffing, cause they they can't get over the idea of bluffing.
Posted Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:22 am GMT by BeerWench13
Are you guys serious??? I LOVE to play beginners. I'll take a spot at their table all night long. They have more tells than Victoria's Secret has underwear. I read an article once that gave me the best advice and I've kept this theory since. Find a loose table and play tight. Sure you may not get to play as many hands, but the ones you do play will net you much bigger pots.
Posted Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:26 am GMT by schrek
I agree. I'll take a table full of newbs over a table full of players as good or better than me any day... Just like our BeerWench said, play only the best hand, be patient, and in the end you are guaranteed to win. Playing newbs is like playing online poker for free. Everybody always calls, and the showdowns are always more than 2 way (3, 4 and 5 are common). The crappy thing with home games and newbs is that the games take forever and you need to have the patience of a POW.
Posted Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:54 am GMT by JohnnyCache
Hey, I didn't say I didn't like playing them. I said play'em tight but drop a little so they don't cotton on you're playing a lot tighter then them. . . I LOVE playing them.
Posted Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:03 am GMT by schrek
Yup, you do have to loose some to win big. Or they do get bored really quickly when you give them bad beat after bad beat... The good thing though with a bigger table (7 or more players) is that they'll loose and win so much from eachother that they shouldn't really notice when you beat them.
Posted Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:59 pm GMT by Poker_Vendetta
Also, I would have to think if you try to bluff and fail miserably (I assume it would happen naturally), you should make sure you show the cards to everyone. That way there is virtually no chance they will fold to any bet that looks like a bluff. Just a suggestion...(I mean make them call even MORE, exploit this weakness and make it the death of them)
Posted Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:07 pm GMT by littleogre
Playing against noobs can be very flustrating. When i play people like that i just wait for KK or ace or big slick and then i try to nail them to the wall. More times then not this strategy will work but not everytime. For example i just got taken out of a tourney by some guy that beat my rockets with with 7 3 of suit. I also like to play small pocket pairs on the button. when there are a lot of callers and no raisers. This can be a good way to make money against call stations. What you are hoping to do is flop a set Most of the time you will not get it but this is still a good strategy if the right people are at the table. Now assuming you hit your set there are a couple way to play it. for example if you think someone is on a straight or flush draw you should jam the pot. Make them pay the chance to get that straight or flush. Well i am tired of typing but just let me close by saying that i do not claim to be the inventor of the above strat but i just thought i would pass it on for those that do not know about it.
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