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Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:41 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Just wondering which TV show people like best. Not quality of play, but quality of commentary and production.
Feel free to chime in with others that I may not know about.
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Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:53 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
World Poker Tour:
Don't like their presentation/production, Mike sexton and Gus van Patten, (i think thats their names) I cant stand these guys, they are like fake inflatable characatures of american game show hosts. The whole show i feel is kinda overproduced and i understand they are doing this for a reason, to bring poker to the mass market kinda thing, but its a lil overblown for me.
and of course we have shana hiatt (sp?) while i am all for busty former (or even current) playboy models, i feel that it aint necassery for a poker show and only adds to the "fakeness" of the whole thing.
In my opinion, the WCW of poker shows.
marks: 6/10
Celebrity Poker Showdown:
Ok without commenting on the play, I feel it's trying to be the WPT but without any of it's redeeming qualities, the guy in the hat? dunno his name, don't wanna. but he's a tosser. have only watched a couple of these so can't really do in depth critique.
The Sunday Night Heat of poker shows
marks: 3/10
WSOP on ESPN:
All in all i feel this is a well rounded production, the presenters are there to provide commentary on the game (not so much comment as above) Maybe it's just that WSOP has the prestige as being the Premier poker event, but i would think they would be hard pushed to present it any better? I think they do really in depth coverage of the whole event, looking at all days of main event, showing some of the not so well known players, also their feature table is a great idea cos you get to see these players who wont necasserily make it all the way, playing against some of the top pro's. I also love their little sideways looks at the world of poker (i.e. Chris Ferguson throwing cards at bananas etc lol  )
The WWE of poker shows :D
marks 9/10 (point deducted for the annoying sound when baseball scores etc pop up  )
Late Night Poker (on FoxSports NY, where I am)
I have seen 1 show of this, but it is a do-over of the british show right?
the British version of this was what brought me to poker and was for years the only poker show i saw, so i can't knock this show. I love the atmosphere of this, so dark and intense, just you the viewer and the players (and jesse may  ) I love this show!
I know that on the us version they show the players hands while hand is in progress, while this is ok on wpt/wsop/etc you have to realise that originally this was not the case on this show, so when the commentators are surprised at someones play........ it's because they aint see their hands yet, the US show has added this on. For some reason this really detracted from this show for me.
All in all this was for me the way poker should be, dark, smoky, atmospheric backrooms with just the players, the cards and the chips.
The ITV World Of Sport Wrestling of poker (feat. big daddy, Giant Haystacks, Rollerball Rocco etc :D )
marks: 7.5/10
Other tournament coverage by FoxSports:
N/A
feel free to comment
*whistling cos i know i'm gonna get roasted from all the WPT fanatics out there*
Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:00 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
Who voted for Other tournament coverage by FoxSports and what tournament was it?
never mind i found out now
Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:20 pm GMT by ballbp
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | whistling cos i know i'm gonna get roasted from all the WPT fanatics out there |
You're not getting any bad come-backs from me on that. Yes I know they've done A LOT for poker, as far as bringing it to more people and blah blah blah, but I have to agree with you on the over the top way it's done. Besides the smoke and lights, I can't stand the way EVERY flop gets a reaction like someone just flopped a royal. The two guys in the pot could have A K and Q 10 with a 4 7 8 flop and both Mike and Vince go "OOOOHHHH IT'S COMES 4 7 8," Then they calm down and say "no help to anyone."
Just my $.02
Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:35 pm GMT by short_stacked
if any one has seen poker from the plaza or the american poker championship..........they did a pretty good job......lederer (sp) is on there and he does a good job commentating. One thing i don't like is how they show everyones cards on poker from the plaza at the start of the hand. I think lederer is one of the better commentators out there.
Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:58 pm GMT by Fat Tony
WPT and it ain't even close. if it wasn't for the history and prestige of the WSOP it wouldn't even get a vote from anyone i'll bet. the production values of the WSOP compared to the WPT are like comparing a yugo to a cadillac.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:45 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Fat Tony wrote: | | WPT and it ain't even close. if it wasn't for the history and prestige of the WSOP it wouldn't even get a vote from anyone i'll bet. the production values of the WSOP compared to the WPT are like comparing a yugo to a cadillac. |
I agree with you on both counts, but I have to give ESPN a little credit for changing the format this year. Showing the final tables from the different tournaments is preferable to 6 hours of early round tables in the main event, IMO. Can't imagine when I'd ever get another chance to watch Omaha on TV.
But I really can't stand Norman Chad. He just rubs me the wrong way.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:43 am GMT by LeeUmm
I also voted for WPT as I prefer the production of it all around. I'll admit the announcers can be a bit much at times but the whole presentation of it seems a lot better than WSOP. The poker is better in WSOP (for the most part) but I prefer how WPT is presented.
Everybody obviously has their own opinion, this is mine.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:36 am GMT by j0sh
I prefer the wsop, but thats just because VVP annoys me.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:32 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Fat Tony wrote: | | WPT and it ain't even close. if it wasn't for the history and prestige of the WSOP it wouldn't even get a vote from anyone i'll bet. the production values of the WSOP compared to the WPT are like comparing a yugo to a cadillac. |
I'll take that bet
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:53 am GMT by saper88aa
Mostly the wsop.I like to see/hear Norm Chad and Lon(sp) Mecheran(sp).They have an grasp of what there talking about.They also have some jokes they make,then you can laugh at them.Like he steaming like an economy car, or he caught lighting in a bottle on the river.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:02 am GMT by Ninja
My favorite is by far the WSOP, and it really doesn't have anything to do with that it's a premier tournament.
If you took out the smoke, lights, and "studio audience", replaced Mike and Vince w/ Norm and Chad, the WPT would be my favorite. I find Mike and Vince very annoying (constantly saying "We're seeing some great poker here", "This is great poker we're witnessing here tonight") It's like they're selling the show while commenting. Also, they advertise the casino in between commercial breaks. They always have one or two segments about how great the casino they're in is. It's like 3/4 poker and 1/4 advertising between commercials. Oh, and, I can't agree more with the "over-excitement" factor. If they go all-in on the flop, they say..."the turn...IS A 7!!!" And I'm saying "wait, was that one of his outs???" and Mike says "No help yet...." And I just wanna kick his dumbass face in.
The other coverage on Fox that I've watched was very bad and pretty good. Very bad was Showdown at the Sands, the announcer was awful. Pretty good was the new stuff (blanking on the name) w/ Howard Lederer and the new announcer. They seem to know what they're talking about.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:44 am GMT by redd38
I don't like that WSOP doesn't show how much the bet was and how much is needed to call so I voted for WPT
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:05 am GMT by jwrussell
I voted for Fox Sports Net. I think they have the best format going out there. It's not too over the top, I like how they show everyone's cards, though the WPT has a slight edge here as it can be confusing having everyone's hands on the screen at once. That, and they've had the best tourney's lately. That live tourney at Turnstone was great.
WPT: too overblown. I'm with whoever was talking about the hosts, can't stand listening to them. Shana Hyatt's the saving grace for this show. Yes they did a lot to bring poker to the masses, but they are quickly losing ground.
WSOP: SO far this year, not overly impressed, but I'll wait to see what the championship coverage is. I really like ESPN's coverage, I just wish they would show EVERYONE's cards. This really just irks me.
Late Night poker: never seen it, can't comment.
Celebrity poker: Give me a break. Can't even watch this piece of trash.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:49 am GMT by golddog
I've only been able to see WPT and WSOP regularly (Celebrity once by mistake).
I prefer WSOP simply becuase it seems like the play is generally better.
Plus, I have a real hard time with Vince Van Patten gushing over Q-10 offsuit being a "real hand". They need to dump him.
On the plus side, WPT has Shana, and I think Mike Sexton is better than the ESPN guys for occasionally throwing out some actual analysis. Every now and again, he'll actually explain why he thinks something is a good or bad play.
That's the one thing I would really like to see all of them improve upon; don't tell us the flop was K-8-4, we can see that. Give us more insight into the strategy. Help us improve our games.
John Madden's the most popular football announcer because he educates as well as entertains. Wish any of these shows could find someone like that.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:26 pm GMT by Matt T
I prefer the WPT for the mechanics of showing the game, i.e. showing the pot size, how much the bet is, etc. Oh...and Shana. But I prefer just about everything else about WSOP, especially the commentators. I think getting Norm Chad was a great move and I like Gabe Kaplan but he was just too...deadpan.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:38 pm GMT by Fat Tony
i see people have mentioned more than once that the quality of play is better in the WSOP and you'll get no argument from me on that. but if you read the original post quality of play is not one of the factors to be taken into consideration for the purposes of this poll.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:39 pm GMT by NickHow
I'm with the Webmaster on Late Night Poker, its what got me interested in poker. In the early daysthey had a co-commentator who just sounded so bored by everything that it cancelled out Jesse May's over-excitement at everything.
I think they have stopped doing it now, but I saw a Celebrity (and I use the term loosely) series with the same dealers and show format recently.
Can't really comment too much on the others, as they are usually hidden away on some obscure cable channel at random times of day/night.
The WPT events that I have seen do appear to be a little 'over-the-top' production wise though.
Posted Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:43 pm GMT by Guest
WPT on Travel(or whatever): It reminded me of watching "Who wants to be a Millionaire" with all the lights and random unneeded crap. The commentators are just dumb, I can't help it, they just sound like total morons. The only thing I do like is the graphics in that it shows how much they bet each time. They also seem to show alot more hands.
WSOP on ESPN: The extra segments like "The Nuts" and those backround stories like the freakin' retarded one explaining "The Crew" need to be thrown out, but otherwise it is pretty good. Their graphics need to explain the hand and action a little more like the WPT ones, and they also need to show more hands. They tend to only show the big hands and rarely show the smaller ones in between them. The main commentator is good in that he doesn't over-dramatize it, he is probably the best on any of the shows. Norman Chad, on the other hand, needs to be left in the Nevada desert somewhere. He is so annoying, so dumb, making stupid pointless comments it drives me insane. Rarely are his poker insights good. He just needs to be dropped from the show PERIOD.
Poker on FoxSports: I have not seen much on FoxSports, but when Howard Lederer is an commentator it is about 10 times better. The other commentators are pretty awful, but that is almost expected unfortunately. It is kind of stupid that they show all the hands at the beginning though, and their hand graphics are probably the worst. They do show ALOT of hands though, which is what I like the best. Put it on at a reasonable time and regularly and I'd watch it.
Celeb Poker on WHO CARES: To be honest, watching this is unbearable. Everything about this is awful, the play, the production, the commentating, the graphics, all of it. Just awful.
If I had to choose one, I'd go Poker on ESPN with the WPT hand graphics, the main ESPN Commentator w/ Howard Lederer, showing as many hands as they do on Fox Sports. That'd be nice.
Posted Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:20 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| golddog wrote: | I've only been able to see WPT and WSOP regularly (Celebrity once by mistake).
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Lol, "by mistake" is pretty much how most people feel about watching celeb poker.
| NickHow wrote: | I'm with the Webmaster on Late Night Poker, its what got me interested in poker. In the early daysthey had a co-commentator who just sounded so bored by everything that it cancelled out Jesse May's over-excitement at everything.
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Hah! yeah! I'm sure that was 1 of the Boatman brothers, Barney i think. Yeah he sounded so interested didn't he!
Also does anyone else (prolly brits only here guys sorry  ) see the similarities between Jesse May and Sid Waddell the darts commentator
Posted Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:47 pm GMT by NickHow
Yeah the Boatman brothers have a go these days, but in the early series it was some other guy. He must have been quite old because his daughter has played in it. He made the Boatmans seem like Jesse May. I think his name might have been something like Nick Sharameta, or something along those lines.
Sid Waddell is a legend. I went to the darts final in January and met him. He told me he would be back in 5 mins to sign my program, but he never came back 
For those of you not familiar with Sid's work
http://mrankin.home.cern.ch/mrankin/Waddell.htm
My favourite is:
"The atmosphere is so tense, if Elvis walked in ,with a portion of chips....... you could hear the vinegar sizzle on them"
Posted Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:46 pm GMT by Nate PT
I like the FSN poker, not late night but there other tournaments. The commentators are better and they dont just show the final table, they show the whole tournament at least at the plaza which I like a lot. I also liked the live event, that was very cool and I wouldnt be surprised if we see a lot more of those, the ratings were very high for it. Im kinda sick of the WPT format and WSOP coverage seems to get worse every year. No explanation needed for celeb poker....
Posted Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:15 am GMT by Guest
I prefer the FSN tournaments as wel, esp. the Turning Stone tournament. However I really did like last years WSOP coverage as I'm sure I'll enjoy the main event this year when there is more than 1 hour of coverage for the event.
Posted Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:01 pm GMT by Guest
The main event is planned to have about 10 hours of coverage I believe.
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:07 pm GMT by mepham
WTF
LNP WINS..
HANDS DOWN
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:12 pm GMT by gerry
YEH.. LNP how come it got 0% :x
Posted Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:05 am GMT by solrac87
I thought ESPN's WSOP 2003 was presented better than this year's.
I like how ESPN is showing more final tables. It's a pleasure to see variation in games like Omaha, 7 Card Stud, and even Razz. However, I don't like that they only give an hour to the final table of each event. Every other hand seems to be a hand that eliminates a player. I mean, if you have 9 or 10 players at a final table and only an hour of coverage, you don't get to see much poker in between all-ins. Also, ESPN has too many interviews/features in their episodes. They show interviews from like 4 or 5 players each time. Please, just show some poker, or extend the broadcast to two hours.
I personally enjoy the WPT. Over the top a bit, but you get to see a lot of hands and not just all-in situations. The presentation is great. I like Vince Van Patten too, he can make some hilarious comments.
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