Posted Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:23 pm GMT by Always_Bored
I watched "the casino" tonight and saw andy bloch get kicked out of a casino for counting cards at blackjack. He was pissed and yelling at everyone when he left. It was pretty funny. Anyone else see this?
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Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:29 am GMT by Dave B
Yes, I saw it. I like it when he said something like "I guess some people are too smart for the casinos".
I was wondering, if you only count in your head, card counting isnt illegal is it? I assume that the casino just chooses not to do business w/ know counters. Also-is it illegal to work as a team at blackjack?
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:08 am GMT by Nut Flush
While counting cards is not illlegal, it is highly frowned upon by casinos since it takes away thier edge.
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:15 am GMT by ZZZinindy
Card counting is not illegal in it self. Here's how its done....So I've heard...
The Casino "recognizes" someone they think is counting cards. So they will confront the person and tell them that they no longer "want there action" at the Blackjack table. But if they would like to play another game they would be more than welcome.
If the "Card Counter" starts to cause a problem then the casino tells them that they are on private property and then escorts the card counter out the door informing them that if they come back on the property they will be charged with trespassing.
And there you have the short version.
ZZZ
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:27 am GMT by Scott1101
| Dave B wrote: | | I was wondering, if you only count in your head, card counting isnt illegal is it? I assume that the casino just chooses not to do business w/ know counters. Also-is it illegal to work as a team at blackjack? |
Prior to my poker playing, I was pretty into Blackjack so I know a lot on this subject. The other responders were correct that card counting is not illegal in a sense that you're breaking any local, state, or federal laws. However, team play or card counting at any casino will get you kicked out and at many of the casinos you'll be blacklisted on their shared facial recognition systems.
And most card counters ARE counting in their heads. Actually, it'd be pretty funny to see someone counting out loud or writing them down!  The way they catch you is because in order to maximize your odds, a card counter drastically increases the size of his bet when the card count is currently in his favor. So if a person is steadily betting the minimum and then suddenly bets 10 times the minimum for a couple hands, it sets off a red flag with the casino. One time is not enough, but a pattern of this behavior will get you caught.
And that's why team play is the way to go. But team play is also not permitted by the casinos. Read the book "Bringing down the House" for an incredible true story of MIT students who took Vegas for millions through team card-counting.
Continuous shuffle machines are slowly killing the art of card counting though. As casinos continue to add them, card counting will eventually be history.
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:35 am GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | And that's why team play is the way to go. But team play is also not permitted by the casinos. Read the book "Bringing down the House" for an incredible true story of MIT students who took Vegas for millions through team card-counting.
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Or if you're lazy like me, just watch it next time it's on TV. I believe it was The History Channel that did a show about the MIT students.
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:20 am GMT by Dave B
I have counted cards using the +1, 0, -1 way in the past-it never worked. Everytime I made a big bet w/ a favorable deck, I lost (at least I lost most of them). The edge has to still be relatively minimal.
Does anyone do this?
I have played a lot of blackjack and was successful on occasion. When I was successful it was by raising my bets when hitting a double down or split, or when I win several in a row or the dealer busts a few in a row. After increasing, increase w/ each hand thereafter if you win. Several times I have won over $1500 on $5-$25 tables in quick fashion by doing this. The idea being if you have a cold streak-you lose the minimum each hand. If you have a hot streak, you win big. Things go quick one on one w/ the dealer when you get a good shoe w/ 25-150 on each hand.
But in the long run, I dont think that I am up much (if anything) from blackjack. But the rushes of big win make the downs of small losses tolerable.
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:55 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Dave B wrote: | I have counted cards using the +1, 0, -1 way in the past-it never worked. Everytime I made a big bet w/ a favorable deck, I lost (at least I lost most of them). The edge has to still be relatively minimal.
Does anyone do this? |
I never got good enough at it to give it a try in a casino. I figured a bad count was worse than no count at all. The other problem is that they're cutting up to a deck and a half off an 8 deck shoe. Granted, the distribution in those burned cards should be similar to the ones left to be played, but I'm still wary about relying on a card count when the ones I'm waiting on may never come out.
| Dave B wrote: | I have played a lot of blackjack and was successful on occasion. When I was successful it was by raising my bets when hitting a double down or split, or when I win several in a row or the dealer busts a few in a row. After increasing, increase w/ each hand thereafter if you win. Several times I have won over $1500 on $5-$25 tables in quick fashion by doing this. The idea being if you have a cold streak-you lose the minimum each hand. If you have a hot streak, you win big. Things go quick one on one w/ the dealer when you get a good shoe w/ 25-150 on each hand.
But in the long run, I dont think that I am up much (if anything) from blackjack. But the rushes of big win make the downs of small losses tolerable. |
The most I won was $20,000 playing $500 a hand at Bally's using this same method. Lost it all in the stock market in 2000, but that's how that goes. The most I've won in a short period of time was $7000 in 15 minutes. I had three or four split or double-down hands in a row, followed by a couple of blackjacks. I think I lost one hand in the entire shoe. It was unreal.
Posted Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:17 pm GMT by Buffarino
| Nut Flush wrote: | | Quote: | And that's why team play is the way to go. But team play is also not permitted by the casinos. Read the book "Bringing down the House" for an incredible true story of MIT students who took Vegas for millions through team card-counting.
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Or if you're lazy like me, just watch it next time it's on TV. I believe it was The History Channel that did a show about the MIT students. |
Yep. They also said last night that Bloch was part of that MIT team. Most of those guys have apparently moved on to playing poker. Strange that he's still trying to get past casino security playing BJ.
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