Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:26 am GMT by TheDTrain-TheReckoning
What everyone's opinion about "the crew"? I can't stand any of them! But they might actually be taking over poker, scott fischman won 2 bracelets and some other guy won a bracelet. it was fun watching tj tear dutch boyd apart in razz yesterday. 
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Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:12 pm GMT by Buffarino
They're good poker players, but they're also a bunch of douchebags.
Especially Fischman. That guy is gonna get his ass beat one of these days if he always acts like that at a table. He's gonna piss off the wrong dude some day.
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:52 pm GMT by Matt T
I don't have a problem with them, I was a young buck once too. I do think that their apparent competitive nature and the fact that each wants to 'outdo' the other, only works in their favor. Plus the support they appear to give each other again only works in their favor.
Dutch made some very questionable calls vs. TJ. But I don't play Razz and judging from the telecast I'm not looking for a game either!
Howard got 'razzed' by the cards. He just couldn't catch a break. He kept getting good or even great draws and in the end he was lamenting; "3 pair AGAIN!"
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:01 pm GMT by Oldgzer
I've only really seen Boyd and Fischman at the table. I know another one of them won a bracelet, but they didn't telecast the game. Fischman seems like the little punk who runs his mouth and then runs to his big brother when trouble comes calling. He was annoying (and lucky) as hell when he won vs Joe Awada. I'm glad Awada got his bracelet though.
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:28 pm GMT by golddog
Fischman is a classless punk. Not to say he isn't a very talented poker player, of course. Were I him, I'd be worried about more than getting my ass beat if I pulled that crap in front of some people.
The difference was demonstrated with Joe Awada. Fischman sucks out, then runs around like an idiot, flops on the table, makes a spectacle of himself.
When Awada caught his card to win the stud championship, he said, "Yes!", then immediately went over to shake Luske's hand and accept congratulations.
If you win, show some class. If you lose, congratulate your opponent and move on.
Self-aggrandizement and self-hyperbole is what turns a lot of people off about sports any more.
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:52 pm GMT by MasterShake
Don't be surprised if one day you read that Fischman was sent to the hospital with a cigar burn on his forehead if he ever sucks out Amir Vahedi.
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:21 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
I'm trying to remember what Fischman actually did during the game which got you all so heated up? I watched this and didn't see anything too bad? His celebrations at the end? I would excuse him that surely? When (lol) i win my 1st bracelet you will see much worse probably!!
I actually think him flopping over the table was kinda refreshing? shows you how much it meant to him.
As for the rest of the Crew, i think they have a good, if somewhat overblown attitude, and any group of players, sharing strategy, helping, supporting each other, constantly trying to outdo each other are gonna do well.
All the best to them, I hope they do well 
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:58 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
The filler piece last night on those ass clowns made me sick, specifically the little part where Fischman essentially declares that he and his buddies now own the WSOP.
I hope they go 10 years without smelling a cash after this. Would teach them some much needed humility.
Posted Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:20 pm GMT by dengar
I hate every single one of them. It has quickly become my personal mission to beat everyone of them on a poker table and then in the alley behind the casino.
Fischman sucks. He got really lucky when he won the first braclet and I hate the way he jumps around when he wins a pot. I wish he could be a little more like the other young dude Gavin who won with total class.
I don't know if there has been anything more entertaining than T.J. owning Dutch in the Razz final. 
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:33 am GMT by jwrussell
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | I'm trying to remember what Fischman actually did during the game which got you all so heated up? I watched this and didn't see anything too bad? His celebrations at the end? I would excuse him that surely? When (lol) i win my 1st bracelet you will see much worse probably!!
I actually think him flopping over the table was kinda refreshing? shows you how much it meant to him.
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Seriously??? Please, tell me you are kidding. The flopping over the table thing, while not terrible in itself was simply the icing on the cake. The guy was a complete ass the entire time. It's not the fact that he's enthusiastic about winning, that's not a problem, it's the attitude that went along with the enthusiasm. Trust me, if it were ever to happen to me I'm sure I'd be jumping up from the table now and then, but this kid showed absolutely no respect to any of his fellow players.
As to the general topic: can't stand Fischman, can barely stand Boyd, the others, who knows. I don't have a problem with the idea behind "the crew", I think it's great they are all there together and giving each other support. I just prefer the humble winner to the overblown, self-agrandizing winner.
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:24 am GMT by Ninja
What did Dutch Boyd do? It seems to me like he's quite graceful. He congratulated Sam Farha last year, and went out like a winner. He just pumped his fists and said "80,000!" How is that awful?
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:58 am GMT by Matt T
Cloutier seemed to like Dutch in the Razz tourney. There appeared to be a mutual respect in a Master/Apprentice sort of way.
I guess I'm just easy; I don't mind The Crew, or Norm Chad, or even Moneymaker, etc. It's probably my imagination but it seems that a person that hates a lot of people associated with the "TV game" would be easily tilted. Lots of buttons to push.
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:02 am GMT by MasterShake
I have no problem with Dutch. You can hate him for all the same reason's people hate Helmuth. But the big difference is that Phil can back it up. When Dutch is good enough to back it up I think people will be on him less. Fischman is a jackass and I don't know enough about the other guys to comment.
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:35 pm GMT by dengar
| Matt T wrote: | | Cloutier seemed to like Dutch in the Razz tourney. . |
T.J. liked him in the Razz tournament because he shit all over him. He was killing Dutch. He made him play like a total idiot. Even douche Fischman could see the "wheel in 6" while Dutch sat there betting all of his chips into it.
T.J. was laughing inside the whole time saying to himself "This is the future of poker?"
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:08 pm GMT by Buffarino
| Ninja wrote: | | What did Dutch Boyd do? It seems to me like he's quite graceful. He congratulated Sam Farha last year, and went out like a winner. He just pumped his fists and said "80,000!" How is that awful? |
Agree on Dutch. I guess I should make my comments Fischman-specific for now (until I see more of the other members). Dutch seems like a decent guy. I have no idea on the others, although the whole 'We're gonna take over the poker world' schtick is retarded.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:02 am GMT by Nut Flush
I think Dutch is ok, if only for the Doogie Howser aspect. Hell, anybody that goes to college at the age of 13 is pretty cool in my book.
Fishman, well he acts like a moron. Put yourself in his shoes though. If you were 23 or however old he is and won back to back bracelets, how would you act? Add on top of that the other guy(all members of The Crew will be referred to as "the other guy" until they win more) winning a bracelet and you've got a group of close friends that play poker together all the time that now have three bracelets between them.
I'm sure alot of Fishmans behavior has alot to do with the fact that his friends are there watching him and cheering him on. Take "The Crew" out of the crowd and I bet you Fishy would probably behave with a little more class.
Whether or not I agree with thier behavior or how they play, you got to give them credit for doing what they are trying to do. Imagine sitting at a final table with 2 of them? how about 3? 4? See what I'm getting at? It's hard enough these days playing in a WPT or WSOP event with the popularity of poker. If you get an edge, you use it. Having your buddy sit across the table from you is definitely an edge.
Time will tell what becomes of "The Crew"
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