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Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:12 am GMT by JunkyardGod
I'm going down to the Trump Taj on monday night for my birthday and plan on sitting in on some 2-4 dollar tables.
I was wondering how much most people start with. I know the minimum is 5X the minimum bet (which would make it 20 bucks)
But whats the recommended average? 50? 100?
Oh, and how are the casinos on weekdays? i've only been down there twice before on weekends.
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Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:41 am GMT by LeeUmm
Well when I play the 2-5 tables here I start with $100 even and it's always plenty. The 2-5 is almost always filled with rooks who aren't the greatest players so I can usually get up almost right away thus I don't need a huge bankroll to start. You could probably bring a bit less if needed and still do okay assuming you don't play like most of them :D.
Be prepared to have some bad beats though as people go in with junk and will catch some miracle cards. A lot will also stay in all the way down to the river hoping to catch more miracles so there is no point in bluffing too much as it generally doesn't work in most situtations at those low limit tables.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:46 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| JunkyardGod wrote: | I'm going down to the Trump Taj on monday night for my birthday and plan on sitting in on some 2-4 dollar tables.
I was wondering how much most people start with. I know the minimum is 5X the minimum bet (which would make it 20 bucks)
But whats the recommended average? 50? 100?
Oh, and how are the casinos on weekdays? i've only been down there twice before on weekends. |
Weekdays aren't much different than the weekends during the summer. Lots of vacationers down there.
I'll usually start with 50-75x the SB. The lower the limit, the higher the multiple, if that makes sense.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:08 am GMT by MasterShake
I start with 20X the BB. So on a 2-4 table I start with 80 bucks.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:09 am GMT by MasterShake
As and added note, most casinos will let you keep your cash on the table under your chips. If the cash is on the table, it can be used during the hand.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:34 am GMT by m3racer
I usually start with $100 on those tables.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:03 am GMT by JunkyardGod
allright thanks! I had planned on starting with $100 but wasnt sure if that was too much by all low money table ethics.
But kick ass.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:00 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| JunkyardGod wrote: | | allright thanks! I had planned on starting with $100 but wasnt sure if that was too much by all low money table ethics. |
I can't imagine anyone would care about the size of your buy-in at a limit table. At worst, people would just laugh if you bought in for an absurdly high amount, and comedy isn't a bad thing at a low limit table.
Posted Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:04 pm GMT by JunkyardGod
good point. 
Posted Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:36 pm GMT by vegasholdem
Table image is important:
buyin 40x the big bet....
leave when you've won/lost half your stack! 
Posted Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:14 pm GMT by mindgame
Players good and bad DO pay attention to what you sit down with. It's part of your table image. You sit down with 40x bb and you look like a guy willing to take some big, wild swings. You sit down with 15x bb and you look like a guy who's trying to minimize risk. Weak players are afraid of big buy-ins; strong players salivate.
Posted Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:14 pm GMT by vegasholdem
A guy with only 15x the big bet will not intimidate ne1....
....those are the types i put the most pressure on by simply re-raising them!
Expect those small stacks to re-buy....and how embarrassing is that at the table.....rebuying screws up your table image....forget using bluffs/semibluffs as outs since small stacks have so little ammo to begin with! 
And since they are so small stacked; my bluff/semibluffs/informational will give me a clear edge against the shortstacks...
Posted Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:21 am GMT by jwrussell
25X the BB. It's the perfect Buy-in in my opinion. You don't look like a moron trying to intimidate the small players or a major target for the strong players by buying in too big, and you don't look like a snack to anyone paying attention by buying in with too little. I don't think 40X the BB is too much, but in the case of 2/4 I would make it $150 so it's even (37.5 BB); buying in for $160 would just look a little wierd to me.
Also, try to gauge the stacks on the table. If everyone has less than $100 there's no reason to buy in for more. If a bunch of people have big stacks in front of them then it can't hurt to buy in for a bit more.
Posted Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:06 pm GMT by vegasholdem
Good Post....i like the 25x the big bet rule....very good post! 
I jus felt that 15x the big bet makes you an ez read/target(tight player when shortstacked perhaps?)
But the 25x the big bet rule sounds very logical....thanx!
I play $2/$4 at the Palms(las vegas,nv)....and 25x the big bet($100) is all you need becuz they play so loose-passive(80% flop seen avg!)
I made $90 in 2hrs(after tipping!) this last weekend(the former iraqi soldier buddy of mine now stationed in Korea visiting me;lost $400!!!) on the $2/$4 at the Palms....it's a fishfest out hiya!!! 
Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:50 am GMT by jwrussell
Yeah, most places are pretty much the same. 2/4 is pretty much always going to be fishy as hell. The only problem is variance is a biatch at these games. You have to play just about perfect all the time if you play regularly at these tables. Anyone can have a run (as evidenced by the fish who walk away up) but a good player is going to walk away down sometimes at these tables. It's just going to happen.
I love the losse-passive tables. If you have the patience and manage to hit some cards, you can make a ton of money. My last trip out (a losing trip due to my NOT playing even CLOSE to perfect) evidenced this with the following hand:
Dealt K,x in the hole. Raise it up and see 7 people to the flop. K on the flop. Bet, 6 people stay with it. 2 on the turn and all of the sudden little old lady sitting directly to the right of the dealer bets out (she had a 2, she flashed her cards when looking at them). I almost laughed out loud at this. I raised and 3 of us saw the river. My pair of Ks took it down. I just couldn't believe it, betting on a 2! This little old lady was in on every single hand and usually hung on to the river for every hand. I saw her win one hand for the night when she hit a flush on the river. Amazing.
Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:12 am GMT by Buffarino
| vegasholdem wrote: | I play $2/$4 at the Palms(las vegas,nv)....and 25x the big bet($100) is all you need becuz they play so loose-passive(80% flop seen avg!)
I made $90 in 2hrs(after tipping!) this last weekend(the former iraqi soldier buddy of mine now stationed in Korea visiting me;lost $400!!!) on the $2/$4 at the Palms....it's a fishfest out hiya!!! |
The Palms 2/4 is, IMO, way fishier than similar games in Vegas. I don't like their poker room, though. Way too cramped and smoke everywhere (I think it was the only one I played in where smoking is still allowed). Maybe that's what makes it fishy?
Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:38 am GMT by vegasholdem
I'll hafta agree with you about the Palms,
it is crampy and smoky....that's why we left to play at the Cannery(Northside of Vegas)!!!
At the Palms>>>the $2/$4 was located in the low limit room. Alongside was the high limit room($9/$18!?! and NL) had the plasma screens....which sucked. The best thing about the Palms....EYE CANDY...have you ever seen so many hot looking chics!!!??!!!
What's cool about the Cannery is that they have $2/$4 with only a single blind...but i think the rake was higher.
That bad side is that the Cannery had the same setup as the poker tables at the Luxor...out in the open!! No pokerroom...our tables were alongside other gaming tables such as Blackjack...uggh!
I hear they are lots more pokerrooms in the Workz, such as at the Hard Rock Hotel/Casino and the MGM...so las vegas is getting even more interesting!
Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:26 pm GMT by Buffarino
Yep, we stayed at MGM and were told they have a poker room coming. I heard Hard Rock does, too, but where would they put it?
I did love the waitress uniforms at the Palms, though. And the women could definitely fill them out.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:03 pm GMT by Bankit5
I usually start with 40 bucks at a 2-4 table. You can deff put up a good fight with 40 but I like it because it keeps me playing tight until I make some money
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:33 pm GMT by jwrussell
No offense Bankit, but you are playing ridiculously short-stacked. $40 is less than 3 MODESTLY active hands.
Not only can you not make the most out of a great hand that runs into one or two players with second best hands, if you lose as few as 3 hands without winning one you are to the felt! And that's 3 hands with no raises!
$2 pre flop. $2 flop. $4 Turn. $4 River. $12 hand. Lose 3 hands and you have $4 left!
Let's look at this another way. You say it keeps you playing tight, right? OK, so let's say it takes you two times around before you hit a hand. Let's say you play one hand per orbit other than the blinds before you actually hit something worth playing past the flop. That's $10 before you get to your hand. Let's also assume that you are playing correct (tight AND aggressive). So when you get to your hand, that's at least $4 pre-flop. You now have $26. You hit the flop, and I'll be generous here and say you are in late position and no one raises you. By the river you are down to $20. Now. If you win this hand, you are in ok shape considering most 2/4 games are gonna have quite a few people chasing you all the way down. But since that is the case, you are also more likely to get sucked out on. And if that happens you are gonna get raised when you bet. So there's another $8 and you now have $12. Just enough to make it through one more hand...and what happens if you lose that one?
It takes nothing to lose a few hands in Hold'em before winning one. I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be a dick or anything, but going in with $40 is a bad decision.
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