Posted Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:53 pm GMT by sam farha
I have not seen this movie yet but have heard good things about it....For those who have seen it is it worth seeing?
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Posted Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:13 pm GMT by Heiserman
ill save everyone else the trouble of replying...
yes it definately is...its probably one of, if not the best poker movie out there...it actually talks about hold em as well as having a real strong plot and cast...matt damon, ed norton, and john malkovich are all really good in it...id definately reccommend it
- Heiser
Posted Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:15 pm GMT by sam farha
Thanks...I'll check it out.
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:33 am GMT by darcy tucker
It's a phenomenal movie. Shade is not that great.
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:57 am GMT by Ben4040
The movie frustrates me but I won't say why because I don't want to ruin the movie for anyone.
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:36 am GMT by Nate PT
I think I know why but you have to remember 90% or more of teh people that watch it wont pick up on that because they dont play poker or dont know what theyre doing when they play. Anyways its a great movie and Shade sucks so dont see it.
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:51 am GMT by Fat Tony
this is truly a "must see" movie....even for non-poker fans. (are there any??) :D
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:28 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
it's not as good as ......
ah sorry, yes it is.
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:14 am GMT by Geno
I have the biggest smile on my face EVERY time I watch it. It really is that good. The bit with the judges...........well, I'll say no more but if u don't smile loads at that bit, u r dead inside
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:05 pm GMT by darcy tucker
Ben what are you talking about and Geno what part with the judges? hmmmmm i feel foolish but i can't figure out what you guys are talking about.
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:08 pm GMT by Geno
 I don't wanna ruin it but Matt Damon walks in on a poker game being played by the judges and...........
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:14 pm GMT by sam farha
Haha...I'm really anxious to see this movie now I'm gonna try to rent it or buy it tonight...
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:32 pm GMT by darcy tucker
Geno you just really find the part with the judges amusing right? There is nothing i didn't understand in that part right?
Ben what frustrates you about the movie?
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:47 pm GMT by sam farha
Dont ruin it for me :D
Posted Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:39 pm GMT by Nut Flush
Sam, I suggest renting it for now. If you want to buy it, there is a special edition coming out in September I believe so you may want to wait.
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:25 pm GMT by Matt T
I thought it was good but the ending kinda disappointed me. I kept thinking, "That can't be it, it can't be over. They wouldn't end it like that!"
It can, it can, and they would/did. Maybe they'll make a sequel and finish it.
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:43 pm GMT by Geno
The end is perfection! (esp as the titles are topped off with Baby, I'm a Big Star Now by Counting Crows the greatest band in the world :D)
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:10 pm GMT by j0sh
I'd recommend waiting for the collectors edition to come out next month before you buy it. But rent it anyway, its awesome
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:24 pm GMT by Matt T
WARNING: While I am trying to NOT give anything away, I am making references to the movie that might reveal things. Read on at your own risk.
| Quote: | | Baby, I'm a Big Star Now |
This relates to the reason I was disappointed. The way the movie ends, he is not a big star (yet). I waited the whole movie to find out what happens "when he actually got there" if you catch my drift. But the movie ended just as he was leaving. So it seems that the song doesn't really 'fit' unless it is supposed to be foreshadowing the end result.
But I am picking nits, it is a good movie. I was hoping the two main characters might go heads-up @ the WSOP final table.
Question: Was Rounders entirely fictional or was it based on a particular player's true story?
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:43 pm GMT by darcy tucker
If kgb and him made it to the wsop final tables the cheese factor would be huge. I thought the ending was great. It's a lot more believable to think you could someday be a mikey mcdermott rather than a phil ivey prodigy.
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:51 pm GMT by Matt T
Actually I was referring to Worm, not KGB. He played KGB enough in the movie. But never Worm.
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:50 pm GMT by dakine
Ha! Poker Movie Critics. It's worth the $3.98 to rent it. Nuff said. 
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:10 pm GMT by Geno
| Matt T wrote: | WARNING: While I am trying to NOT give anything away, I am making references to the movie that might reveal things. Read on at your own risk.
| Quote: | | Baby, I'm a Big Star Now |
This relates to the reason I was disappointed. The way the movie ends, he is not a big star (yet). I waited the whole movie to find out what happens "when he actually got there" if you catch my drift. But the movie ended just as he was leaving. So it seems that the song doesn't really 'fit' unless it is supposed to be foreshadowing the end result.
But I am picking nits, it is a good movie. I was hoping the two main characters might go heads-up @ the WSOP final table.
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I gotta disagree, and this is a good discussion making me wanna see it again, I think the end is in EXACTLY the right place. Even without some cheesey WSOP end, I'm still left with the stupidest grin on my face and butterflies when the cab drives off bcos the point is that he has pulled himself back from nothing, defeated his arch enemy KGB and you BELIEVE that he will win the WSOP. That is enough for me and in movies, some of the best moments are implicit - you make the tale up in ur mind and u don't need it to be spelt out in front of u cos it's better the way u have it in ur head 
Posted Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:37 pm GMT by jwrussell
Geno's got it spot on. Now Ben, what the heck are you talking about. You have my interest way peaked. Come on, just stick a spoiler note on the top of the post and let us know.
Unless it's about the Judges seen.
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:35 am GMT by Ben4040
I honestly haven't seen it for a while, but I remember that I was really frustrated that Matt Damon's character continued to back Ed Norton's character. I understand they were supposed to be friends but the guy gets him into more trouble than it was worth. Throughout the movie I just kept asking myself when Matt Dameon's character was going to learn to just let the guy go and rot by himself. He was a cheating scumbag.
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:54 am GMT by Matt T
You gotta remember that Worm took the fall for both of them and did hard time for it. Damon's character (IMO) felt that he REALLY owed him big time for that. In the end, he felt he had repaid his 'debt' to Worm and they were all square. Or did I get it all wrong?
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:18 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
Yes Matt you got it spot on, the theme of 2 buddies and 1 owes the other bigtime because he took a fall for him is a very common theme in a lot of movies (Right back to Angels with Dirty faces and prolly before  )
Mikey did owe worm, it was down to worm that mikey was able to live his clean cut (kinda) life to this point, if mikey had gone to jail also then he may well have turned out like worm?
but as we know you can only do so much to help someone and in the end you may just gotta cut him loose, mikey had more than enough reason to do so.
As for the ending, the movie wasn't about the wsop, it was aboutthe debt owed to kgb really, i thinkthe tension of could mikey pay it off was a big enough ending really? The feelgood factor, when he not only manages this but manages to actually outplay kgb, pay off his debt to him, the judge and still go to Vegas with "3 stacks of high society" man that did it for me.
The "making it" was for him to get clear of the small(ish) cardroom games and grinding/roundering? and making it to the big leagues (vegas and possibly even wsop)
If the movie had gone on and he had gone to wsop and even been playing worm or teddykgb or johnny chan (who he actually got to play and best during the movie) would just have turned the whole thing into a cheesefest.
I would LOVE to see a Rounders II tho, give Damon 20 years or so to lose those boyish looks and get into his fat bloated elvislike phase, he's the old pro, been there done that, got the bracelet. throw in a prodigy for him to guide and boom! you got a sequel
*sidenote* Geno? Counting Crows? and i thought i had bad taste in music?
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:30 pm GMT by Geno
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | *sidenote* Geno? Counting Crows? and i thought i had bad taste in music? |
I'm on my way to Scotland right now to kill you for that. Seriously.
As for Rounders, you are of course right about Mike owing Worm big which reminded me of perhaps my favourite Worm moment:
After they get their asses kicked at the policeman's game when Worm catches a hanger, they are talking while laying on the floor assessing their injuries and Worm deadpans at the most inopportune moment possible "You shoulda played those Kings". Classic :D
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:57 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
hehe how did i know you'd be all over me for that
don't worry about it i like the dixie chicks 
If you're gonna travel up tonight ... bring some cash we#ll go find a game
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:08 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | I would LOVE to see a Rounders II tho, give Damon 20 years or so to lose those boyish looks and get into his fat bloated elvislike phase, he's the old pro, been there done that, got the bracelet. throw in a prodigy for him to guide and boom! you got a sequel |
Sequels can only be bad news, especially when the original wasn't written with a sequel in mind.
Besides, you just described "The Color of Money."
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:49 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: |
Sequels can only be bad news, especially when the original wasn't written with a sequel in mind.
Besides, you just described "The Color of Money." |
hehe i did didn't I 8)
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:26 pm GMT by ShoelessJoe
someone wanna PM me and tell me the deal with the judges game?
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:07 pm GMT by Geno
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | hehe how did i know you'd be all over me for that
don't worry about it i like the dixie chicks
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See now that is unforgiveable because there is very little real talent there. Not only that but you are Scottish and male which dictates that the Dixie Chicks should not even be on your music radar! By all rights, you should be a big Zepellin/Springsteen fan............
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:44 pm GMT by YoungGun
You guys keep saying that Mikey owes Worm BIG time because he took the fall for him, but he only got expelled from school. I thought that Worm was in prison for making fake credit cards or something. Remember that part when worm says something like "I wasn't makin the cards, I was distrubiting".
I know this is pointless but I'm really bored!
Posted Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:56 pm GMT by darcy tucker
Yes you are correct!
Posted Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:48 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Geno wrote: | | wEbMaStEr wrote: | hehe how did i know you'd be all over me for that
don't worry about it i like the dixie chicks
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See now that is unforgiveable because there is very little real talent there. Not only that but you are Scottish and male which dictates that the Dixie Chicks should not even be on your music radar! By all rights, you should be a big Zepellin/Springsteen fan............ |
Yeah i know
Dixie chicks are a small blip on my otherwise totally cool musical taste radar.
I think its cos they are kinda country.... Scotland is kinda a country..... They ARE extremely talented singers/songwriters/musicians tho 
Posted Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:06 pm GMT by saper88aa
THis is one of the greatest movie of all time. A sequal would only ruin it.
Spolier
The ending was shear prefection.He made it back from rockbottom and made it to vegas.After beatin his nemisis Kgb.Hands down a spectaular movie.
Posted Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:36 am GMT by redd38
Those of you that think Mikey should have cut ties with Worm just don't understand loyalty and friendship. Worm didn't do anything to merit Mikey dropping him. Mikey got his ass kicked? So did Worm, it's not like Worm was the one beating Mikey. Worm was a cheater? So was Mikey at one point in his life when he fixed the basketball game.
As for the ending, it was perfect. The final table of the WSOP wasn't even close to being in the scope of this movie. That's like saying the movie Rudy should have ended with Rudy winning the Super Bowl.
Final review: This movie is a must see. Edward Norton is the best actor of our generation, Matt Damon is also an amazing actor and John Malkovich is also great in this movie. The plot is outstanding and will keep poker players and non-players involved at the same time. Very quotable and is easily re-watchable time and time again.
Posted Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:57 pm GMT by saper88aa
To sum up everyones post(i forgot to say this before) just go watch the movie.You should insatanly love it.
Posted Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:20 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| redd38 wrote: | Those of you that think Mikey should have cut ties with Worm just don't understand loyalty and friendship. Worm didn't do anything to merit Mikey dropping him. Mikey got his ass kicked? So did Worm, it's not like Worm was the one beating Mikey. Worm was a cheater? So was Mikey at one point in his life when he fixed the basketball game.
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So what about the $thousands that worm ran up in mikeys name at the poker room, when he was able to pay off and avoid the "juice"? or the fact that mikey underwrote his debt to Gramma, which is loyalty to a friend and which isn't?
people change over time, someone who was a true friend in high school can drain you like a leech for their own selfish purposes later in life, no matter how much you try to help them, if they aren't willing to help themselves, sometimes you have to cut them loose.
Yes this is the voice of bitter experience talking, loyalty and friendship are for those who deserve it.
Posted Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:15 pm GMT by redd38
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | redd38 wrote: | Those of you that think Mikey should have cut ties with Worm just don't understand loyalty and friendship. Worm didn't do anything to merit Mikey dropping him. Mikey got his ass kicked? So did Worm, it's not like Worm was the one beating Mikey. Worm was a cheater? So was Mikey at one point in his life when he fixed the basketball game.
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So what about the $thousands that worm ran up in mikeys name at the poker room, when he was able to pay off and avoid the "juice"? or the fact that mikey underwrote his debt to Gramma, which is loyalty to a friend and which isn't?
people change over time, someone who was a true friend in high school can drain you like a leech for their own selfish purposes later in life, no matter how much you try to help them, if they aren't willing to help themselves, sometimes you have to cut them loose.
Yes this is the voice of bitter experience talking, loyalty and friendship are for those who deserve it. |
You have to give him a chance though... you can't cut someone off in their first week back from the joint. I'd say he gets 6 months at least, then if he hasn't reformed any cut him off.
Posted Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:06 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| redd38 wrote: | | You have to give him a chance though... you can't cut someone off in their first week back from the joint. I'd say he gets 6 months at least, then if he hasn't reformed any cut him off. |
If a guy runs me up for just under $7,000 without telling me, gets my ass kicked by cheating in a game when I told him to stay away (which I'm playing because I vouched for HIS debt), and THEN hi-tails his ass out of town? You'd be lucky to still be alive after 6 months.
You can only "owe" so much.
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:05 am GMT by The Nutz
I don't care what you guys say... Mikey should of just banged "Petra" when she came for a visit!
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:10 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| The Nutz wrote: | | I don't care what you guys say... Mikey should of just banged "Petra" when she came for a visit! |
And on that, we all can agree.
Posted Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:13 am GMT by thumper
Okay guys, I'm new, but I thought it appropriate that my first post have something to do with Rounders I got introduced to this forum just recently by a regular and I'm liking the place already
As for why Mike always backs up Worm... well, Mike sums it up pretty well with one of his own voiceovers in the movie:
"I know all the reasons I shouldn't be here. Sometimes reasons don't matter. See, no one's ever stood up for Worm. The guy's been kicked around his whole life, from his father on down. Maybe he's not the same guy he was when he went away, but I can't give up on him this easy. I'm all he's got."
They're best friends. That's what friends do *shrug*
Posted Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:23 am GMT by redd38
| thumper wrote: | Okay guys, I'm new, but I thought it appropriate that my first post have something to do with Rounders I got introduced to this forum just recently by a regular and I'm liking the place already
As for why Mike always backs up Worm... well, Mike sums it up pretty well with one of his own voiceovers in the movie:
"I know all the reasons I shouldn't be here. Sometimes reasons don't matter. See, no one's ever stood up for Worm. The guy's been kicked around his whole life, from his father on down. Maybe he's not the same guy he was when he went away, but I can't give up on him this easy. I'm all he's got."
They're best friends. That's what friends do *shrug* |
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say!! I like thumper already.
Posted Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:43 pm GMT by Geno
My DVD got shipped from Canada yesterday, I hope it gets here fast, I'm chomping at the bit now 
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