Posted Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:52 pm GMT by djbaseball24
Jesus all of my favorite players are gone, stupid internet kids. ugh Farah gone, Negruene(sp) men the master. Damn Ivey outs now. This sucks
I cant wait for the Championship game. These interent fools are crazy
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Posted Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:08 pm GMT by sam farha
Yeah man i hear ya all the awesome pro's are out to the internet fools....and now i know who wins dont go to pokerstars.com if you dont want to know who wins
Posted Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:41 pm GMT by Replic
As soon as I read your post I immediately thought to myself- "No, he's still in as of this week."
Damn nicknames.
Even though Ferguson should becrippled- that was a tough beat on the river for that newbie- he played the hand perfectly too.
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:07 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
"Stupid internet kids"? 
I'm sorry if your favourite players got kicked out early. Speaking as an Internet "kid"  hope you wont be like this when i knock out Helmuth or Ivey next year?
Internet has brought poker to people across the world who had no access to cardrooms/casinos before now, The fact somones poker education was online doesn't make them a lesser player? I've probably played more hands this year than most superstars have in the last 2 years.
Maybe these "superstars" need to rethink their gameplan.
Or maybe you need to change your favourite players? (Dan Harrington would be a good choice? )
We are the future of poker!
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:08 am GMT by ORGrinder
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | "Stupid internet kids"?
I'm sorry if your favourite players got kicked out early. Speaking as an Internet "kid" hope you wont be like this when i knock out Helmuth or Ivey next year?
Internet has brought poker to people across the world who had no access to cardrooms/casinos before now, The fact somones poker education was online doesn't make them a lesser player? I've probably played more hands this year than most superstars have in the last 2 years.
Maybe these "superstars" need to rethink their gameplan.
Or maybe you need to change your favourite players? (Dan Harrington would be a good choice? )
We are the future of poker! |
i'm with you on this one. obviously the number of idiots out there has increased... but just because a wsop rookie who spends most of their time on the net beats out a "pro" doesn't mean that they just got lucky or are in some way not as deservant of the bracelet as anyone else.
we all put our time in differently. i don't really have the option of putting my time in at a live table... so i do so online and catch live games whenever i can. nuthin wrong with that... and nuthin wrong with these guys either.
what DOES bug me is when some punk rookie comes to a table with some pros and starts talking smak. the game wouldn't even be what it is today had it not been for the "pro's"... rookies should treat them with respect. i don't recall the name of that a$$hole who was the alternate that got picked for farha's table... but he needed a good kick in the face if you ask me.
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:36 pm GMT by sam farha
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | "Stupid internet kids"?
I'm sorry if your favourite players got kicked out early. Speaking as an Internet "kid" hope you wont be like this when i knock out Helmuth or Ivey next year?
Internet has brought poker to people across the world who had no access to cardrooms/casinos before now, The fact somones poker education was online doesn't make them a lesser player? I've probably played more hands this year than most superstars have in the last 2 years.
Maybe these "superstars" need to rethink their gameplan.
Or maybe you need to change your favourite players? (Dan Harrington would be a good choice? )
We are the future of poker! |
Actually Dan is one of my favorites  and he does great this year in the WSOP (got information on him on a sight) and when you knock helmuth out ill be cheerin you on becuase i can't stand him  but Ivey is one of my favorites also
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:02 pm GMT by humbleman
Dan Negreanu(sp) summed the situation up perfectly after he got busted when he said he foolishly tried to bluff "these guys" and they were not bluffable. As was stated in several other threads, the pro's need to adjust which is kinda what "professional's" in any competition are supposed to do, right? Everybody wants the big money but not have to wade through the ever increasing masses. Can't have one without the other. This year will produce new "favorite" players. I mean come on, honestly, how many of you REALLY knew who Sam Farha was before last year's telecast? As soon as the last Main Event episode is telecast, I'm sure there will be all kinds of buzz and fans generated for D.R. just like there were for Moneymaker last year. Finally, it's only going to get more insane next year. Does anyone doubt that there will be at least 5000 entrants next year with a minimum $10,000,000 first prize? Tons of "newbies" will be there and new hero's / fav's will be born, which will be for the good of the game :D
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:20 pm GMT by sam farha
Exactly^^^ but you saw what they did to the pro's and so many people are gonna be good this year and come outta no where and become the next moneymaker...there will be atleast 4000 players next year and the pros will probally get out again the only conistent poker player ive seen is Dan Harrington and he plays conservative i don't think you can try to bluff these guys cause like Daniel said there unbluffable and like you said they just need to adjust to the "newb" playing style
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:30 am GMT by groton
do i count as a Internet Kid or a East Coast Punk Kid
since i play most my Money games at Foxwoods and not online thoe i play freeroll's everyday online
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:43 am GMT by A-Airlines
I've read this article upon the subject:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/05/31/pokerworldseries.ap/
"In all, about 40 percent of the 2,576 people who made it to the final tournament came from the Internet, Goldman said. Competitors who didn't win an Internet or casino satellite tournament put up a $10,000 buy-in fee.
The success of Internet poker players is no mystery: They take plenty of chances and play very aggressively.
Dan Harrington, the 1995 World Series of Poker champion, found that out on his last hand Friday. Williams had just a pair of deuces with two cards left to show, but kept pressing and knocked Harrington out when the fifth and final community card gave Williams a full house.
This rapid, no-fear play shatters the saying that poker is hours of boredom punctuated by seconds of terror, said Andrew Glazer, an editor for Card Player Magazine, who also writes a gambling column for the Detroit Free Press.
"Internet players move their chips all in more frequently than players who frequent card rooms or casinos," Glazer said. "They understand you can take a lot of skill out of the game by turning it into big-bet poker."
The World Series of Poker lends itself to high-stakes betting because the chips don't represent real money. Although some players paid a lot for their seat at the table, they can't dig further into their life savings, nor can they just take their winnings and go home.
Luck, of course, also is a big part of Internet players' success. Moneymaker's ran out in this tournament, where he was booted out the first day.
But John Vorhaus, who writes for UltimateBet.com and is the author of "Killer Poker," a book on game strategies, said this year's victory proves the Internet winner is no fluke.
"I think 2004 will be a watershed year in the way the Internet player is viewed," Vorhaus said. "The evidence is overwhelming. These guys got game."
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It sure seems like the era of pro's dictating the game is soon over. If u don't want to go all-in every one or two hands even tough you know your the favourite you are soon out. Most professionals don't want to take this gamble early in tournaments, I think. Luck has become more of a factor.
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:14 am GMT by Matt T
I'm actually surprised so many pros played the way they did. There have been occasions early in tournaments where my table had a bunch of total newbies and I've almost always just sat back and waited for them to eliminate each other, then attack the ones that got lucky and accumulated chips. Hellmuth even said; "It's a friggin' mindfield." Stomping through a minefield with big boots doesn't seem like a good idea. Go slowly and watch your step!
But that's regarding "beginners". I don't view internet players as beginners by any stretch. They can see more hands in one day than I'll see in a month probably (I've still never played a hand online).
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:01 am GMT by benman2002
yeah i also supprised to see these pros not willing to change their game plan to get through the newbs...personally i think Men's all in was a HORRIBLE play considering what might go through his opponents mind.
and...
Matt--
of the people in the WSOP, i would think most people that make it through a satalitte at least have some sort of knowledge of the game, and what they atleast think is a good strategy....ofcoarse the pros do.....but ... are there many rich business men that just say watch poker on TV, and really havent played hardly any poker at all that decide to lay down 10G's to play?
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:50 am GMT by Matt T
Obviously there were a LOT of satellite-winner-entrants but I was surprised how many people I met that paid the full $10K. And they weren't businessmen either. Most were fairly young, ordinary looking guys.
I can't even describe the "low" feeling I had when I got busted out, I was in a deep depression for at least the next day. I still haven't played since. It's every bit as bad as a bad heartbreak IMO. So I can't even imagine how I would have felt had I paid $10K.
I actually "relived" that low feeling on a much smaller scale Tuesday night at about 10:00 PM EST. No kiddin'. But I'm chompin' at the bit to play again now.
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