WPT commentary added in post-production |
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Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:49 pm GMT by Corinthian
I've searched the forums, and couldn't find any thread regarding this, so I'm sorry if it's been discussed.
I just watched WPT season 1 episode 8 at the Aviation Club in Paris, and noticed during heads-up play that you can see Van Patten and Sexton standing in the background, clearly not doing the commentary. Since I'm not in the television industry, it might be the most feasible way to do it on a show like this, but I find it even more annoying now when they get unbelievably excited over a boring flop, since it's completely feigned. I even wonder if their analysis and jokes are scripted, now. Not that their jokes are ever any good.
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Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:57 pm GMT by Replic
All poker analysis in WSOP and WPT are added in months later.
All poker commentators except for the non mustache guy on WSOP are idiots, annoying, and make my trigger finger itch.
These are the common laws of TV poker.
Plus, if they truly had a booth that was off to the side of the table, don't you think players would watch when they get excited for clues and listen to them if they were really giving off analysis on the spot? Even if they were in a sound proof booth, just watching how rapibly they talked could be a tell. Thus- they do nothing all during the WPT mithinks.
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:08 pm GMT by humbleman
It's clearly evident on the WSOP telecast's simply by the fact that the hole cards shown are almost always the big ones, hardly ever the rags. They can't get THAT lucky all the time so it definitely has to be edited. :D
Posted Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:20 pm GMT by Nate PT
Not to mention they would know the exact percentages off the tops of their heads during a hand. The FSN Championship Poker at the Plaza seemed like the most realistic but it doesnt make sense for them to analyze every single hand 10+hours a day when theyre going to show one hour of it, they add it later for all of them except obviously the live one on FSN last month.
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:04 am GMT by Matt T
Celebrity Poker Showdown does commentary "on-the-spot". So...at least it has that going for it. 
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:23 am GMT by ballbp
| Matt T wrote: | | Celebrity Poker Showdown does commentary "on-the-spot". So...at least it has that going for it. |
Yeah I've seen a couple of episodes and I get a kick out of watching Phil Gordon trying not to laugh at most of the players. I've heard him say "that is the worst call I've ever seen" more than once.
Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:49 pm GMT by humbleman
Yeah, but with Celebrity, they have the advantage of a very small field and fairly unsophisticated players. It is however, my guilty pleasure, as I never miss an episode which makes me a full blown Poker Junkie I guess :D
Posted Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:26 am GMT by Guest
They do some of the commentary at the actual event, but yes most of it (including hand analysis) is added post production.
As someone who works in television I can attest to what a nightmare putting together a poker broadcast is to begin with (think about it...you have to sort through footage from at least 13 cameras for every hand, and THEN decide which hands from a 10 hour poker session actually make the final cut, THEN add commentary). In that sense it seems a little counter-intuitive and burdensome to add commentary after the fact...but some others in this thread have provided good reasons why they do it that way. Off the top of my mind, one of the better reasons that hasn't been mentioned is because of the way the card cams work on WPT and ESPN. The players lift their cards for a brief second...it would require tremendous effort by the crews (pretty much impractical) to monitor the screens and make sure the commentators get the relevant hand information in order to make on-the-spot analysis. (Whoever said Celebrity Poker does "live" commentary, I'd like to know where you got that information) FSN, on the other hand, have the glass screens in the table, meaning if the commentators are given monitors they can just look at any time and see the cards of each player.
Posted Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:28 am GMT by dilemma
Oops, that was me ^^
With regard to Celebrity Poker Showdown, I did a little snooping and confirmed my suspicion:
"The shots from the table cameras showing the player’s hole cards were only seen in the production truck during the taping of the show. There is no way the audience or even the announcers knew what cards the players were holding during the live play. During the final editing of the show these shots with be put in and the commentary of Dave Foley and Phil Gordon will be added into the finished episodes before they are aired. " - This from an article by Bill Burton
Though, I'll admit, they do a very good job of conveying the APPEARANCE that the commentary is live. I think they owe that bit to the whole "losers lounge" concept. They do some commentary there with the losers not knowing what the players have so that when they add the rest of the commentary later it appears as if everyone knew what was going on in the hand.
Posted Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:05 pm GMT by www.slowplaying.com
Yeah I have always wondered how this process was handled. I too have seen the WPT announcers in the background not talking. It makes sense that they go back in and edit the commentary in.
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