Posted Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:10 am GMT by darcy tucker
Say I'm in the blind with A5 and the flop comes A-A-8 and there are three other callers and a lot of betting going on. From the betting taken place I should know that the other ace is out. I played the hand fast on the flop to see if the other ace was out and now that I know the other ace is out should I drop the hand? My kicker is not going to be good and chances are the best I can hope for is a split if the board pairs. Should I almost always get out of this pot as soon as I know my kicker is beat unless the odds of the split (which is extremely rare) make going after it justifyable but other players dumping their money in with bad hands like 8,4?
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Posted Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:04 am GMT by Idaho
Tricky one that. You are really calculating the odds of not losing. You have 6 outs straight off - 8s and 5's. The latter being the only winning scenario as you have to assume that the other guy has a higher kicker (3-1 chance of him having 6 or better).
You then get onto the complex odds of getting pairs on the turn and river.
The logical step is to fold - but you'd be a stronger man than me if you could throw away trip Aces.
Posted Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:19 pm GMT by Johnny T
Bet. In my limited experience I've found people will try and represent hands dependant on the board. If the board is A A 8, he's more likely to have K 8 or something like that.
I'd go for it mate.
If its 3-1 of him having a higher kicker then over time you'll be winning anyways...
:D
Posted Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:29 am GMT by darcy tucker
If he's a 3-1 favourite to having a higher kicker than how would I win in the long run? Can you explain in a bit more detail?
Posted Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:31 am GMT by Johnny T
Sorry mate, bad wording there. I thought it was you who was 3 -1 favourite for the higher kicker?
If its him who's 3 -1 fav then obviously you'd lose out in the long run.
Even so.. after seeing what hands get played at low limit hold 'em I'd still say to bet.
Posted Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:10 pm GMT by metal1
i'd like to play against you since you like to fold the trip aces. don't be so sure the other ace is out there. some one else could have the 8 or be on a flush draw or have a pocket pair. if you're ready to fold trip aces what hands do you play?? more often than not the other ace won't be there. its happened to me too but you just foget it and go on. i would bet it again the same way.
Posted Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:03 am GMT by AlicanteKid
Every time this situation has happened to me in a live game I've always been the only one with an Ace, even though there is heavy action. People are probably trying to represent it. I would probably make a healthy raise after the flop and see what the others do.
Posted Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:24 pm GMT by Nut Flush
For me, that's not a hand I'm willing to fold. Even though you have a crappy kicker, you've got outs like mentioned before. Once the turn comes, you've got even more outs to make a boat, plus there is a good chance both your kickers may be pointless if the turn and river came out KQ or KJ(of course then you have to worry about a straight).
Posted Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:32 pm GMT by redd38
i Had A 5 the last night and I flopped an A and turned an A. There were 2 others still in with me so i knew one of them had the A, I bet and one of the guys dropped out. All I could hope for on the river was a 5 and i didn't get it. So I knew I was beat, but for some reason I just had to see it.
So the moral of the story is: no matter how good your hand is, if you think you're beat then fold. Don't get in the mind set that you deserve to win because you have trip aces.
Posted Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:25 pm GMT by Biglickn'Bigslick
All very good points guys.....one thing I havent heard is Preflop betting. Did anyone represent a huge hand like AK-->AJ preflop?? Getting reads on people's betting habits is key in this game. And like the Atlantic kid said put a healthy bet out there and see the players reaction....it could cost you more chips but you have learned valuable information and you are not out of the tourney because of it.
If he calls then just jump across the table and strangle him or her
Posted Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:48 am GMT by BassHunter
I'm somewhat new myself, but wouldn't your odds be a little better than 3-1 against him have a better kicker? I can see 3-1 of him having a 6 or better, but I would think that odds are good that his kicker will end up being the 8 not the five. The only way the 5 will be the kicker is if 2, 3, or 4 come up on BOTH the turn and river. Anything higher on either draw improves his kicker. Anything over an 8 makes the 8 the kicker. So I would be betting assuming the eight is my kicker not the five thus making it a coin-flip (and that ONLY if he has the other ace). Is that not right?
Posted Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:32 am GMT by dakine
| darcy tucker wrote: | | Say I'm in the blind with A5 and the flop comes A-A-8 and there are three other callers and a lot of betting going on. From the betting taken place I should know that the other ace is out. I played the hand fast on the flop to see if the other ace was out and now that I know the other ace is out should I drop the hand? My kicker is not going to be good and chances are the best I can hope for is a split if the board pairs. Should I almost always get out of this pot as soon as I know my kicker is beat unless the odds of the split (which is extremely rare) make going after it justifyable but other players dumping their money in with bad hands like 8,4? |
The pot odds is the difference in you folding. How much did you invest?
You don't know what the other players have. Do you think Gus Hansen would have folded? I know I woudn't. It's "Gambling" man. 
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