Posted Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:27 am GMT by StarlightCoast
I pasted whats below from the odds page on this very site and am a bit confused. I was always under the impression that if I am chasing a flush draw I need to be getting at least 4-1 pot odds to make it worth the chase, but if you'll notice on 9 outs the final number being overall odds for the turn and river combined it's listed at 1.9-1 Does this mean I only need 2-1 odds to chase that flush?
Same thing for straights. I always figured pot odds of at least 5-1 but the overall odds from flop to river state it as 2.2-1 so I really only need 3-1 pot odds for a straight chase?
Lastly overcards. I hold KJo and the flop is 952 rainbow. The outs for hitting that overcard and giving me top pair are 6. According to the chart those overall odds to the river are only 3.1-1. With odds like that and the liklihood you will almost always have 3-1 pot odds because of the loose play, is this really telling me to chase those overcards as well?
Any and all help in this is, as always, greatly appreciated.
Outs On the flop
for the turn
On the turn
for the river
On the flop for the turn
and river combined
1 Out 46.0 to 1 45.0 to 1 22.5 to 1
2 Outs 22.5 to 1 22.0 to 1 10.9 to 1
3 Outs 14.7 to 1 14.3 to 1 7.0 to 1
4 Outs 10.8 to 1 10.5 to 1 5.1 to 1
5 Outs 8.4 to 1 8.2 to 1 3.9 to 1
6 Outs 6.8 to 1 6.7 to 1 3.1 to 1
7 Outs 5.7 to 1 5.6 to 1 2.6 to 1
8 Outs 4.9 to 1 4.8 to 1 2.2 to 1
9 Outs 4.2 to 1 4.1 to 1 1.9 to 1
10 Outs 3.7 to 1 3.6 to 1 1.6 to 1
11 Outs 3.3 to 1 3.2 to 1 1.4 to 1
12 Outs 2.9 to 1 2.8 to 1 1.2 to 1
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Posted Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:28 am GMT by StarlightCoast
Anyone got an answer?
Posted Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:41 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| StarlightCoast wrote: | | Anyone got an answer? |
I'll see if I can describe it without posting the equations which may or may not help. We'll make the assumption that you've flopped a 4 flush in hearts.
The odds of the turn card being a heart is the first column (4.1-1). The odds of the river card being a heart, assuming that the turn was not, is the second column (4.2-1). The odds of either the turn OR the river being a heart is the third column (1.9-1).
However, this doesn't mean you can now chase all the way to the river on a flush draw with 2-1 pot odds. For argument sake let's say it's a $10 pot, flop comes with 4 to a flush, and I bet the pot. This might look good to you because you figure I'm getting 2-1 and I'm 1.9-1 to make it by the river, but you're forgetting that I'm going to bet the pot on the turn too if it's not a heart! So you'd be making a call at 4-1 on the flop with pot odds of 2-1 ($10 to win $20), and then if it doesn't hit another call at 4-1 on the turn, again with pot odds of 2-1 ($30 to win $60). You can't consider money you've already added to the pot as yours, but you can certainly count the chips you haven't thrown in yet. The only thing that can possibly make it correct is if your implied odds can cover the difference, and it's highly unlikely you're going to get that kind of return when a 3-suit hits the river. The original bettor will likely check, and your bet on the river will likely go uncalled unless a) it's very very close, or b) you're beat.
Posted Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:41 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Oh, but feel free to chase if you're at my table. :D
Posted Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:13 am GMT by StarlightCoast
So basically in order for me to figure the correct pot odds I should go with the first number and ignore the second.
Posted Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:35 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| StarlightCoast wrote: | | So basically in order for me to figure the correct pot odds I should go with the first number and ignore the second. |
Simplistically, yes. Even then, most times you'll be getting proper odds to call the flop in a limit game. If enough people stay in, you'll have odds on the turn as well. In PL or NL however, at least at a decent table, you'll almost never get the correct odds to call, and if you do, be wary of hands that can beat it.
Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:30 am GMT by vegasholdem
Example#1
lets say u hold suited holecards for example: U just flopped a 4flush: so to hit a flush on the turn it's about 4-1 against; but only 2-1 against on the River! Now why is that? Well i'll try to simplify: When you have two shots at the title....logically, your chances to improve will double...in a nutshell.
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Example#2
Another way of looking at it: It's 221 to 1 against you being dealt AA.
But what's the odds against anyone in a full ring game being dealt AA? Answer: 24.56- 1 against. With 9 other players in the pot; thats 9 more chances of success!
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Example#3
If you hold pocket pairs preflop: The odds of flopping the Set is 7.7 to 1 against. But let's say your short-stacked and went allin? What are your chances of catching the Set by the River? Answer: it's 4.5 to 1 against. Since you have more streets(turn&river) to catch your Set; your odds improve dramatically!
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Conclusion: the chart you are referring to is correct;but might be a little confusing.
As fer me, calculating pot odds with only 1 card to come is more practical in real life. Just click my signature to learn more! 
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