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Posted Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:04 am GMT by PokerStudent
Hello!
Can anyone explain me how the dynamical values of the hand are calculated?
I had read several articles (See for example these links: http://www.online-texas-holdem-poker.net/poker_strategy_expert.html http://www.pokertips.org/advanced/hvalue.php )
If I know pot odds on the river I can calculate expected value, but how it relates to the dynamical value of the hand I have no idea.
If I do not know pot odds I don’t know how this dynamical value should be evaluated.
Any ideas?
Regards, PS
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Posted Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:56 pm GMT by Adam Marshall
This might be too tricky to be in Beginner's Questions, but whatever.
"Dynamic Hand Value" to me has always been one of those phrases that doesn't mean much to me. It just means that the value of hands pre-flop change based on the number of players and their styles of play and the limit of the game. At least that's my take on it.
So yes, suited middle connecters are better in no limit, or better in a game where more players are likely to see a flop, for example.
It doesn't translate into expected value though. Yer dynamic hand value only really relates to pre-flop situations. After community cards appear, you substitute this non-quantifiable value with a real value based on the flop, like Sklansky's precious EV.
I guess you could say that dynamic hand value is EV pre-flop then.
Now, I believe there are examples of EV in pre-flop situations but in my opinion EV is a very quantifiable number based on solid figures and solid information.
Off the subject, why are both the articles that you referred the same? Should I be warning a webmaster about content theft?
EDIT: I just sent both webamsters an email concerning this duplicate content. I really, really hate content/copyright theft. Consequently I hate Platinum Holdem. That's another story.
Posted Sun Sep 12, 2004 9:14 am GMT by PokerStudent
Hello Adam,
Thank you for your answers.
>It doesn't translate into expected value though. Yer dynamic hand value >only really relates to pre-flop situations. After community cards appear, >you substitute this non-quantifiable value with a real value based on the >flop, like Sklansky's precious EV.
>I guess you could say that dynamic hand value is EV pre-flop then.
>Now, I believe there are examples of EV in pre-flop situations but in my >opinion EV is a very quantifiable number based on solid figures and solid >information.
What is the difference between pre-flop and flop? In both cases we have incomplete information. In the first case we know 2 cards in the second case we know more cards. But in both cases we should make some assumptions.
>Off the subject, why are both the articles that you referred the same? >Should I be warning a webmaster about content theft?
I had found both articles via search engines. It is hard to figure out who is the real author and how these sites are related.
In any way I had posted not articles, but only URLs (this is legal).
P.S. A one of the site owners inform me about the content theft.
Posted Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:35 pm GMT by vegasholdem
I think dynamic hand value is when the Potsize become relative to Your Draw Odds...therefore your starting holecards are dynamic.
Let's assume that 2 players play the same hand(like JToffusuit for instance):
Losing Player#1>>> 90% of poker players out there will risk $5 just to win 1 measily dollar....don't let that be you!
Winning Player#2>>>A winning player will do jus the opposite; by risking only $1 to win $5!!! A winning player plays the same hands as the losing player; but he plays it only when the Potsize is right!
How come these 2 players play the same starting hands; but only player #2 does all the winning? It's becuz the winning player understands dynamic hand value....and that the Pot Odss is what makes your starting hand Dynamic!
Posted Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:07 pm GMT by PokerStudent
Thank you vegasholdem.
I agree with you.
To estimate these odds a player need to calculate the probability and expected pot's size, which depend on a number of players in the pot.
Is this correct?
Can I use Smart Gambler's Calculator for estimating the pot's size?
Cheers,
Poker Student
Posted Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:28 am GMT by JohnnyCache
I just had to stop and say, "Dynamical?" - I'm not sure I understandify.
Note: In the actual skit, the woman says "burned all my spoons" not "broke my teaset"
Posted Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:07 am GMT by PokerStudent
Well, if this is a problem you may think that the word "dynamical" is similar to the word "dynamic".
Posted Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:59 pm GMT by snoogins47
Like already said, it means that hand values change according to many, many situational considerations.
There are many ways this kind of thing can drastically change what you want to do.
For instance, let's say you've got one opponent in a limit HE game. You're on the BB with 78s. He's on the button, raises, the sb folds, and he flashes you QQ. This is a close decision, but you're only around 4 to 1 to win this hand, heads up. You can fold without too much thought.
Now, imagine UTG raises, some MP player 3bets, and 3 people coldcall, and they're notoriously looser players, overvaluing big offsuit broadway split cards.
You can cap here, because against a fairly common range of hands, you have become a money favorite, with huge equity, so you cap.
For instance, lets say the hands look thusly.
QQ
AKo
KTs
JJ
KQo
Now, QQ has the best equity here, but 78s could very easily be the second best. That's right, up against this field, you're going to win slightly more than AKo (with a bit of wiggle room depending on suits, if the KT is in your suit, you're not looking too great.)
That's one of the more drastic examples I can think of where hand values change drastically dependent on the way the pot has played out.
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