Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:31 pm GMT by saper88aa
Spolier if you didnt see it yet.IF you did read on.
Any thoughts on how Anne Duke won other than she got lucky.It just pains me to her win. So many better players could have been in her seat.
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Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:41 pm GMT by srn1985
I was really really pulling for chan or ivey but no luck for them....Out of all ten she was the least of my favorites.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:35 am GMT by Cyberhwk
Ivey is my fav. He always seems to do well, but never seems to win. 
Phil is growing on me though.  I used to not like the guy, but I'm beginning to come around. He wears his emotion on his sleeve. Yes, he complains and critiques other's play, but what seperates him from some of the jackasses I've seen (i.e. Arieh and Matusow) is that I've never seen Phil get personal with anyone. Yes, he complains but it's always about the table.
Before this I loved Annie Duke, but now I'm lukewarm. I can understand that you likely didn't want to knock out your bro (espesially on a miracle draw like that) but GET A GRIP WOMAN!!! She seemed to be the only one bothered by it. I'm sure Howard was dissapointed, he realizes that things happen, but she lost it.
I don't disliker her enough to say I'm disapointed she won though. Hearing ole Phil telling her she outdrew him was freaking hilarious! Phil let her play get in his head and it was his ultimate downfall...(that and the fact she was flopping two pairs and full houses).
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:11 am GMT by The Nutz
Yeah... That was an interesting watch for sure! I have to admit, I was pulling for Helmuth.  Come on... ANYONE BUT ANNIE F**king DUKE!!! :x I can't believe she pulled that off! She was driving me nuts earlier talkin' all that smack! I mean it was kind of funny when they were all pokin at Phil... but I thought she went a bit too far. Anyway... I thought her showing Phil that 9 when she flopped 2 pair was pretty genius. Boy did she have Phil reelin' or what!!? I still enjoyed it very much! 8)
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:48 am GMT by Guest
I thought they both flopped Kings on that hand but she had a 9 kicker and Phil had a 7 kicker. I was surprised that Phil thought she showed him her 'best' card. Phil said he thought she had 2-pair but either way he was correct to fold.
I don't have problem with Annie or her winning. It's poker and 'stuff' happens. I will say that she sure seemed to check-raise a lot. I don't know if that's normal for her or if she was doing it because of her opponent. On one hand I'm thinking; "Got any other moves in your playbook?" (knowing full well she does) but on the other I'm thinking; "It's working, why mess with success?".
Hellmuth just cracks me up.
Raymer was playing well but sort of 'blew up' at the end.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:18 am GMT by Nut Flush
Talk about a friggin upset! That's like a three legged horse winning the Kentucky Derby! But you have to give her credit, she sat down with the best players and won. She was short stacked for awhile and fought her way to the number one spot. Once she got the chip lead, she used it to push people off pots and increase her stack size.
Granted, she caught her flop alot last night but the way she played impressed me. Poor Phil, getting check raised every hand, lol. The best part of that show was when she flipped over her final hand and all you heard was a long beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep from the censors. That was classic!
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:03 am GMT by myonker
I give a lot of credit to Annie Duke, not so much for her poker play, but for keeping a level head. If I had to listen to Phil talk about how bad a player I was or how much better he was, yadda yadda, I would have broke his nose. Some of his comments were a liitle personal and over the top. Comments that he would never had made if he was heads up with Howard, Johnny, or Doyle. Showing the 9 was the perfect thing to do in that moment...it send Phil realing. Also, when Annie made a boat on the flop and Phil said he got out drawn, her reply was "I know for a fact I had you beat the whole hand" was another well times comment.
Phil played better, but Annie won the "head" game and it cost Phil.
I also loved Doyles comments..like 3 minutes after the hand with 3 all-ins, he says "I just realized I made quads"...The way he said it was so funny.
Anyways, I hate Phil, I'm glad he lost, would have liked to see Howard or Doyle win.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:06 am GMT by Matt T
| Quote: | | Comments that he would never had made if he was heads up with Howard, Johnny, or Doyle. |
Prior to last night I would have thought that too. But when he was in a hand with Howard (the one where the 6 gave Howard a straight) he said something like; "Just like when the amateur's ..." or something like that. Just when I think I know the limits of his arrogance, he pushes it to another level. Even though I despise poor sportsmanship; he's like a trainwreck, I just can't look away.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:14 am GMT by Nut Flush
I think Howard's comment may have tilted poor Phil a little too. Phil said something like "I'll have to check the tape on that one." and Howard responded rather sarcastically, "Don't warry Phil, they'll definitely show that one on TV." implying that he was bluffing.
Even Doyle was taking jabs at hime, "What do you have to pose for the camera every hand?."
I also liked the top ten moments of the WSOP this year they showed in the breaks. Men the Master spewing beer all over the table has got to be one of the funniest things I've seen in a poker game yet. He looked rather "happy" that night.
And after the golf segment, I don't think you can call Phil Ivery "The Tiger Woods of Poker" anymore. He was horrible but was betting 10k a hole! Now that's a gambler.
And if you're behind a Toyota Tundra in Vegas with WSOP O4 on the plates, it's none other than Daniel Negreanu. I was sorry to see him go out early but he made a good point. In that tournament there was no difference between second and tenth place, only first got paid.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:35 pm GMT by ChkDeezNuts
Annie Duke is annoying.....she pisses me off also...BUT....
She did play good.....especially against Phil Helmuth.....She CHECK RAISED HIM 4 times in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would have lost it if it happened to me against anybody...imagine for 2 million and the player that is doing it is inferior to you in your mind...
Annie Duke also looked great.....I would hit it....  
Damn she looked good.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:04 pm GMT by jwrussell
Not a fan of either, but I have to say that I was rooting more for Phil. Just SLIGHTLY, but there you have it. I have a theory on Phil. I don't think all the crap he talks is unintentional. Maybe it started that way, but I think that he's caught on to the fact that it either tilts people or makes them go after him...both of which I'm sure he's fine with. He just made too many comments that were obvious posturing (his comments when he had A,9 and Annie bet into him and he had no help from the board). Some of it is obviously genuine, but I think he throws a lot of crap out there just to mess with other's heads.
As to the Two pair hand. Am I the ONLY one who thinks there is no possible way Phil was titled by that 9 she showed? Obviously I'm not in the guy's head, but no way he thought she was showing her best card. If anything that just confirmed to him that she had two pair.
Side note, how cool was that trophy?
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:21 pm GMT by Cyberhwk
| Quote: | Posted By: Guest
Raymer was playing well but sort of 'blew up' at the end. |
Raymer would have been the only one who I would have been dissapointed with had he won. One tourney makes you a "Legend." I can understand giving a pass to the main even winner, but just doing that doesn't make you a legend IMO. Besides, he already won his $5 million. Why does he need another $2 mil?
| Quote: | Posted By: Nut Flush
And after the golf segment, I don't think you can call Phil Ivery "The Tiger Woods of Poker" anymore. He was horrible but was betting 10k a hole! Now that's a gambler. |
OMG that was brutal... :D
| Quote: | Posted By: ChkDeezNuts
Annie Duke is annoying.....she pisses me off also... <snip>
...I would hit it. |
Well it's good to know your priorities are in the right place...
| Quote: | Posted By: JWRussell
Am I the ONLY one who thinks there is no possible way Phil was titled by that 9 she showed? |
You make a good point. Annie check-raised (???) with middle pair? I would think even Phil would give her more credit than that
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:23 pm GMT by The D-Train
I wanted johnny chan to win. Not annie duke!
The part where hellmuth watched himself in the wsop was funny.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:32 pm GMT by AlicanteKid
| Anonymous wrote: | | I thought they both flopped Kings on that hand but she had a 9 kicker and Phil had a 7 kicker. I was surprised that Phil thought she showed him her 'best' card. Phil said he thought she had 2-pair but either way he was correct to fold. |
She did have 2 pair. The flop was Kx9.
Posted Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:24 pm GMT by humbleman
Raymer was playing well but sort of 'blew up' at the end
Attached is Raymer's explanation for his play (from another forum).
This was a winner-take-all event. Pot odds are everything. The only thing is, you have to make a good read of what the opponent has before you can figure out what pot odds you need for the call to be correct. In the case of the first 89s hand, the pot odds were huge, such that even if Annie held an overpair the call would barely be wrong. In the second 89o hand, the pot odds were slightly less than 3:1 as I recall, so again the call is right by a large margin against unpaired overcards, just about right if she has a better 8 or a better 9, and off by a goodly margin if she has an overpair. And I sensed that she didn't want me to call, and that tipped the balance of what was otherwise a close call. As for the T9 final hand, well, I felt that it was too good to fold, and that if I limped, Annie would likely raise and I would have to fold. I also thought that a smaller raise would be the less desirable than all-in, as a 3x raise would've been over 30% of my stack. Finally, I figured she would fold a lot of hands (probably 80% of so), and that I'd be no worse than a 2:1 dog against the range of hands with which she would call. I may have been wrong about these particulars, but once we take them as a given, I like the play. So, either I played it perfect, or the data I gathered and processed was flawed.
Overall, I'm happy with pretty much every decision I made the whole tourney. Then and now.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Posted Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:06 am GMT by ChkDeezNuts
| humbleman wrote: | Raymer was playing well but sort of 'blew up' at the end
Attached is Raymer's explanation for his play (from another forum).
This was a winner-take-all event. Pot odds are everything. The only thing is, you have to make a good read of what the opponent has before you can figure out what pot odds you need for the call to be correct. In the case of the first 89s hand, the pot odds were huge, such that even if Annie held an overpair the call would barely be wrong. In the second 89o hand, the pot odds were slightly less than 3:1 as I recall, so again the call is right by a large margin against unpaired overcards, just about right if she has a better 8 or a better 9, and off by a goodly margin if she has an overpair. And I sensed that she didn't want me to call, and that tipped the balance of what was otherwise a close call. As for the T9 final hand, well, I felt that it was too good to fold, and that if I limped, Annie would likely raise and I would have to fold. I also thought that a smaller raise would be the less desirable than all-in, as a 3x raise would've been over 30% of my stack. Finally, I figured she would fold a lot of hands (probably 80% of so), and that I'd be no worse than a 2:1 dog against the range of hands with which she would call. I may have been wrong about these particulars, but once we take them as a given, I like the play. So, either I played it perfect, or the data I gathered and processed was flawed.
Overall, I'm happy with pretty much every decision I made the whole tourney. Then and now.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) |
I like his thinking...kinda.....
But let me quote Doyle Brunson......
"In No Limit...and especially a freezeout game...You sometimes have to toss Pot Odds out the window and not put your money in when you know that you are not the Favorite in a given hand."
He did blow up.....IMO.
Posted Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:19 pm GMT by Scott1101
| ChkDeezNuts wrote: | Annie Duke also looked great.....I would hit it....
Damn she looked good. |
Sorry I'm late to the thread on this one, but WHAAAATTT ???? Was this a joke and nobody else caught it? Dude, you cannot be serious?!?
I won't write any more because I think this may have just been said as a joke and I'm falling into the trap by commenting on it. 
Posted Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:45 pm GMT by MasterShake
| Scott1101 wrote: | | ChkDeezNuts wrote: | Annie Duke also looked great.....I would hit it....
Damn she looked good. |
Sorry I'm late to the thread on this one, but WHAAAATTT ???? Was this a joke and nobody else caught it? Dude, you cannot be serious?!?
I won't write any more because I think this may have just been said as a joke and I'm falling into the trap by commenting on it. |
The more I see of her on TV the more annoyed I get with her.
I'd still f*ck her though.
Posted Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:15 pm GMT by ChkDeezNuts
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The more I see of her on TV the more annoyed I get with her.
I'd still f*ck her though. |
I agree....... 8)
Posted Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:58 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
I think this falls under the catagory of, i would, but i wouldn't want my friends to find out about it
Also, i agree that no way did helmuth think she had check raised him with only the pair of 9's, i think in phil's head this confirmed that he made the right decision to lay down his top pair, but also, showing him only the 9 was a touch of genius from annie.
i think phil played great! he made some incredible lay downs at the right time. some of them i don't think i could have gotten away from, in the end tho, how could he know that yet again they shared top pair, but yet again he was outkicked?
I think we should rename K9 the Annie Duke, K9 is a dog......... she's a b*tch..... kinda works huh?
Posted Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:36 am GMT by Matt T
I guess I don't 'get' Annie as far as looks go. I just don't find her attractive. But I don't find her to be a bitch either. She was very happy-go-lucky every time I've seen her EXCEPT when things aren't going her way at the table. She's very confident and can be aggressive but that's just part of her strength. The 'bubbly' personality you sometimes see on TV seems to be her main disposition. I like Annie, but I lust for Evelyn and Clonie. 8)
Posted Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:43 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
I don't think your going to find Meatwad saying he wouldn't be sticking it in Clonie or Evelyn or anyone else?
I think the main attraction of Annie is, she is female and has a pulse?
Posted Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:45 am GMT by Scott1101
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | I think the main attraction of Annie is, she is female and has a pulse? |
Well, that must be it then because she's not the least bit attractive. I don't watch much of the poker shows so I can't comment on her personality. But you guys need to get out more and find some good-looking chics. Just because a woman is a good poker player doesn't make her attractive.
Posted Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:44 pm GMT by Matt T
| Quote: | | she is female and has a pulse |
"...and she's got legs just the way I like 'em: feet at one end and ***** at the other."
Posted Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:10 pm GMT by Cyberhwk
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | I think the main attraction of Annie is, she is female and has a pulse? |
The pulse is optional though.
I KEEED...I KEEED...
Posted Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:01 pm GMT by ChkDeezNuts
Guys....she looked good with her makeup on in the tourney of champs...plus she works out.....
I'd hit it.....no shame here...
Posted Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:38 am GMT by Biglickn'Bigslick
| Matt T wrote: | | Quote: | | she is female and has a pulse |
"...and she's got legs just the way I like 'em: feet at one end and ***** at the other." |
What was the title of this thread again?>????
Posted Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:11 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Biglickn'Bigslick wrote: |
What was the title of this thread again?>???? |
These are all legitimate comments on the Tourney Of Champions!
Annie isn't a hottie, not in any real sense of the word, but she is a MILF 8)
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