Button, SB, BB -- why does it get so complicated? |
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Posted Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:50 pm GMT by sneakyimp
In a tournament game...say you have 5-10 players at a single table getting eliminated 1 by 1. when you get down to 3 players (or 2--"heads up" play), things apparently get complicated when you try to determine where the button goes and whot the small blind and big blind are.
someone referred me to this page:
http://www.homepokertourney.com/button.htm
which is BAFFLING!
Can anyone explain this to me in a simple way??
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Posted Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:47 pm GMT by ORGrinder
with 3, the button is the first to act preflop and the last to act afterwards.
with 2, the button is SB and first to act preflop and last to act afterwards.
easy enough? 
Posted Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:42 pm GMT by sneakyimp
with 3, that makes sense....button is button , SB is one to left of button, BB is two to left of button, first to act is after BB which is back to the button. that makes perfect sense.
then, when you get to 2 players, why does the scheme change? ordinarily, i would imagine that button is button, other player is SB, then back to button for BB. preflop: SB would act first, button/BB would act 2nd. post-flop:button is last to act like usual. is that not how it is?
sorry! still confused.
Posted Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:11 pm GMT by ORGrinder
to answer you question there... that's not how it is. hehehe.
because the BB needs to be the last to act the first round (preflop) the button has to be SB. it's confusing... but you're maintaining the structure more by making the button the SB. by doing so, the BB is afforded the opportunity of acting last preflop, which is always the case, and then the button is last to act every round afterwards.
you could maintain the structure post flop just fine by reversing this i suppose, but you'd be robbing the BB the right to act last preflop as is standard practice/structure.
Posted Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:37 am GMT by MasterShake
Exactly. It took me FOREVER to explain to the guys I play with why the button should always be the small blind heads up. If you don't do it that way, then the button acts last on EVERY SINGLE ROUND OF BETTING. That's really not a good way to do it.
Posted Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:39 am GMT by Always_Bored
| meatwad wrote: | | Exactly. It took me FOREVER to explain to the guys I play with why the button should always be the small blind heads up. If you don't do it that way, then the button acts last on EVERY SINGLE ROUND OF BETTING. That's really not a good way to do it. |
it took me a while to explain this to the people i play with too. But these people also think 2,7 have the same chances of winning preflop than A,A.
Posted Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:01 pm GMT by sneakyimp
THANKS...that's very helpful.
what about determining where the button goes each round. it seemed logical to me to always advance the button to the next active player. that link i posted has some description of what to do when you're down to 3 players and one gets eliminated. it talks about the dead button and moving button rules.
can anyone clear that up?
Posted Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:35 am GMT by ORGrinder
i still don't understand the dead button thing - i mean... two BB's here, no SB there... it gives me a headache.
all i DO know is that if the player who WAS going to be on the button the next round is eliminated... you simply move the button to that position and play as normal (i think). beyond that... i get confused and generally have to ask for help from the poker experts at the table. LOL.
Posted Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:01 pm GMT by sneakyimp
thanks for your help...
i have a feeling it's all about the big blind. no one should be able to escape the big blind spot because it's kind of a penalty thing.
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