Posted Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:20 pm GMT by Dias
Playing in a buy-in game, NL 20 dollars buyin, only 12 of us or so
Blinds are 400-800, im on BB and get K9 off-suit.
gets called around to me, so I figure, lets see who's actually got a hand and raise it to 2000 even...get one call, girl to my left.
flop come Qh-Jh-10clubs
So I flop the K high straight...check it...she bets 1000, I re-raise 4k...she calls
next card is 3h, giving the 3 hearts oon the board. Now this is the point I realize I very likely screwed up...letting her get to the turn. but my brain said, screw it...go large or go home. so I go all-in, for about 8k more.
She thinks for a sec...20-30 secs. calls, she flips over 10h-7h. so she called my 4k raise with bottom pair with the flush draw and got it.
and she called my pre-flop raise also...which of course what irked me a bit.
I know I should bet bigger after the flop, force her to decide....but to me at that time, 4k is a large bet, is 5 times the min bet at this point. Should I have gone all-in after flop? before the turn ya think?
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Posted Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:01 pm GMT by redd38
2 hearts on the board and about 10k already in the pot.... go ahead and push it there.
Posted Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:24 pm GMT by Dias
Thats what I was thinking too.....should have pushed all in after flop, plenty of money in pot...if she calls, she calls, cant stop that....but at least I wouldve pushed in with the better hand, regardless of if she draws out on me.
Posted Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:35 pm GMT by cayouche
| redd38 wrote: | | 2 hearts on the board and about 10k already in the pot.... go ahead and push it there. |
Totally agreed!! I did the same mistake you did once, lesson learned.
Posted Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:50 pm GMT by Nut Flush
You said it was called by the girl to your left so I'm assuming she was first to act. Why she even tried to limp in UTG with a suited two gapper is beyond me, but that's not the issue here. I'm guessing she's the type of player that doesn't like to fold when she has money in the pot already. Some people just don't bother to learn about odds and when it's correct to call, heck she probably plays any two cards from any position as far as I can tell.
Even if you moved all in on the flop, do you think she would have folded?
Posted Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:05 pm GMT by redd38
| Nut Flush wrote: | You said it was called by the girl to your left so I'm assuming she was first to act. Why she even tried to limp in UTG with a suited two gapper is beyond me, but that's not the issue here. I'm guessing she's the type of player that doesn't like to fold when she has money in the pot already. Some people just don't bother to learn about odds and when it's correct to call, heck she probably plays any two cards from any position as far as I can tell.
Even if you moved all in on the flop, do you think she would have folded? |
Yeah, she sounds like the kind of person that might call anyway, but who knows.
Posted Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:08 am GMT by Dias
She wouldve called I think
Forgot to mention she was chip leader....but she'd been catching river cards all night....like catching runners after flop to win hands and such
Posted Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:33 am GMT by Nut Flush
Since she was the chip leader, it makes a little more sense. If she could afford your bet on the flop without risking much of her stack, then I can see why she called there. Sometimes being chip leader with four to a flush or straight draw is enough reason to call and try to bust somebody. If she lost the hand, big deal, she's still in good position chip wise.
Another thing I don't think you mentioned is how many people called pre-flop before your raise? She may have been getting a good return on her money to call another 1200 in this case.
Posted Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:48 am GMT by Dias
nobody, everyone had folded to me and her
Posted Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:41 am GMT by yeltzen
The fact that she called you with that hand before the flop pretty much eliminated strategy and/or good play right off the bat. This hand became nothing but luck, and she got lucky. That's just me, though. If she was willing to call that kind of raise with such a marginal hand, I don't think it would have mattered what you did afterwards.
Posted Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:49 am GMT by Absolution
I disagree about being the chip leader. Unless it's about table image or you're trying to prove a point, "calling because your the chip leader" is a very very poor way to play in my opinion. In a tournament I would agree, but not in a ring game. If you don't have the odds, don't call.
Anyway, she sounds very weak. I doubt she would have folded. As someone already said, the majority of players don't bother to learn much about strategy or odds, they just go with gut. I used to ask these type of players why they called preflop and then again. Most say "because any hand can win", or "I thought you were bluffing". They live off of the high of that one big pot they take on the river, ignorant of the fact that they have lost three times that amount in bonehead calls. :/
What can you do? Keep playing that person.
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