A couple of questions about playing at a casino table |
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Posted Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:00 pm GMT by Twig Hunter
Q1- If you have to leave the table (to go and use the bathroom) can you just leave your stack of chips at the table and not have to worry about anybody stealing it or do you have to cash it in?
Q2- When its time to flip my cards over, can I not flip them over if I lose to the person that flipped his hand over before me? Also, can I only flip one card face up and leave the other one down?
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Posted Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:12 pm GMT by Nate PT
Yea you can leave your chips at the table, you have to show both cards at most casinos, at the card club i play at you dont have to show your losing hands but if someone requests to see it the dealer flips it over.
Posted Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:12 pm GMT by Nate PT
oops
Posted Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:39 pm GMT by Always_Bored
Where I play you can muck if you lose the hand. You have to show both cards if you win. And leave the table whenever you want just have to post if you miss the big blind. Leave your chips they will be fine.
Posted Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:43 pm GMT by MasterShake
Never had a problem leaving my chips at Foxwoods, but I would recommend counting them first just in case. If there's a substantial amount missing (which is EXTREMELY rare in any reputable casino), you can ask a floorboss to check the camera.
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:22 am GMT by mindgame
Customary practice at the dozen or so places I've played (in 6 different states) is to leave chips on the table, even when leaving to eat. For extended absence (ie, meal) you should tell the dealer you'll be gone for a while and get a "meal button." This is a courtesy to the other players. At some very busy places they will allow another player to sit "over" you while your gone.
Most casinos won't allow you to take chips off the table without replacing them when you return (that would be "rat holing"), so if you elect to pick most of them up--leave at least a few--you should count them and let the dealer or adjacent players know how many you are removing.
You should muck folded hands immediately if you don't want players to see your losing hands--get them in the pile and the dealer will usually not allow anyone to ask to see them. Rules vary on who can ask to see them--the winning player, almost always, but at most places anyone at the table if you called the last bet in a showdown. If you are called and the other hand is mucked you usually don't have to show, but be careful. Make sure the dealer has pushed the chips over to you and then slide the cards over to him under his tip--this is universally understood as NOT a fold or muck.
If you are new to casino play, just tell the dealer when you sit down and ask for a little patience. You will be amazed how helpful and friendly they are. You should also tip at least a buck per hand to thank them.
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:46 am GMT by Dave B
Buck a hand mindgame???? I thought you were the old $.50 is all they will ever get guy? Have you decided to open up the pockets a little?
Dont make me locate the old $.50 thread!
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:43 am GMT by MasterShake
I give about a buck for every other hand I win. That way I don't have to keep half dollars at the table. Of course that migh be different if you're playing higher limit than me. :D
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:22 am GMT by JonnyBoy
| Always_Bored wrote: | | Where I play you can muck if you lose the hand. You have to show both cards if you win. |
Where I play, If you bet or raise and everyone at the table folds, you can win the pot and NOT show your cards......
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:37 am GMT by Nate PT
| JonnyBoy wrote: | | Always_Bored wrote: | | Where I play you can muck if you lose the hand. You have to show both cards if you win. |
Where I play, If you bet or raise and everyone at the table folds, you can win the pot and NOT show your cards...... |
If you're talking about Canterbury I believe people can ask to see you hand if they want and the dealer will flip it over. This may only be in a showdown though I cant remember.
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:38 am GMT by Nate PT
why does it keep double posting???
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:45 am GMT by mindgame
Dave,
I'm still the 50 cent token guy....I'm suggesting that NEW players who are getting some help and special consideration from the dealer should be a little more generous.
By the way...the Hilton in Reno was a total zoo last week. Had this huge event called the Pot of Gold with 2 big tourneys every day culminating in a $2500 buy-in deal on Saturday. So one evening I sit down and need to buy some chips and color-up as I move into a red chip game from a blue one. I give the girl money for the 100 chips and I give her a rack of blue to color up. She drops the rack of red and goes off for the rest...then swings back about 5 minutes later and drops off 20 red and another rack of red, then rushes off.
I've got WAY too much money...and she's too busy to notice. So I whistle her over and suggest she's surely made a mistake. I ask her to balance her drawer and double check, that I'm pretty sure about what I gave her.
She comes back red-faced and takes the rack of red. On the way out I told her it was the biggest tip I ever left anyone.
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:49 am GMT by golddog
I saw the "sit over" thing Mindgame discusses for the first time last week. They put a clear plastic box over the original players' chips, then player 2 set their chips on top of that.
To get back to the original post, though, I've always mentioned to the dealer that I'd be back and whether it's a quick break or I might be gone a bit (i.e., dinner), just to make sure they know and can instruct me if house rules mean I should do something other than leave the chips.
Do count before you leave, though.
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:36 am GMT by Matt T
| Quote: | | I believe people can ask to see you hand if they want and the dealer will flip it over. |
That's also the rule where I play but most of the dealers will mysteriously 'not hear you' and into the muck they go. It seems that the 'unwritten' code is that it is very weak for a player to make this request and many dealers won't honor it if there is a way out of it. I tend to agree, I get a chuckle when the dealer 'didn't hear them' and the person requesting to see the cards gets all bent out of shape. IMO, if a person makes this request then they should show their cards in the same situation (without being asked).
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:09 pm GMT by mindgame
There are players who get deeply annoyed--and others who get profoundly upset--when you ask to see their "folded" cards. I believe this is, in itself, reason enough to ask. Recently in Reno I was playing when a new player sat down. On his first hand "under the gun" he raised. He ended up checking the river, calling, and folding. I was very much interested in what he thought was a raising hand UTG, so I asked for the cards, which turned out to be KQ offsuit. He was so upset that he threw them across the table at me, almost screaming "You want to see my cards, you SOB?!? Take a look ass*ole!"
After this little outburst he steamed, fumed, and pouted for almost an hour. I submit to you that he was NOT playing his "A" game against me.
Read any set of written poker rules in the universe (outside a casino). A "showdown" is defined as the point at the end of the last round of betting at which all players SHOW DOWN their hands. Almost nobody does this--but it's the rule. The casinos are forced to honor it, even in the breach.
Posted Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:17 am GMT by Matt T
In that case mindgame, I can see doing it (even though I never would, not my style). When I sit down at the table (and/or behind the wheel of a car) I've already convinced myself; "Nobody can put me on tilt, no matter what they do". And it works. In fact, the fact that people will sometimes go out of their way to tilt people and then it has absolutely zero affect on me, often puts them on tilt. I love that.
"Here ya go sir, KQ offsuit. That's called an "unsuited connector"." in a condescending voice while I make the quotation mark symbol with my fingers. 
Posted Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:45 pm GMT by mindgame
Your capacity to stay unruffled is a tremendous asset. It's more than a defensive weapon, too. Staying calm, even congenial, in the face of hostility (which, of course, is supposed to be intimidating to you) just blows up in the face of your aggressors...actually rattles them. When I'm asked for a hand I always show it graciously, just in case someone uses the request as I do--to see if it pisses me off.
I've actually had players say that they thought I never went on tilt--it's because, as you do, I practice staying staying calm and focused. I wish it were true...because I do, occasionally. But I get up and take a break, or just go home. I know that no one can put me on tilt. It's something you do to yourself....therefore it could and should always be avoided.
Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:25 am GMT by Matt T
I actually still do get frustrated but it's more "towards the cards" when they are tearing me up, which will happen from time to time. But I try not to show it. Many of the little things (like a drunk who is holding up the game and not paying attention, arguing with the dealer frequently, etc.) don't bother me in the least, I actually am entertained by them (I'm quiet but I'm cracking up inside).
Last night at the final table of a NLHE tourney I was in, an inexperienced woman got really hot but she couldn't count her chips. Each bet was like an act of Congress. So in addition to beating everybody she was aggravating a lot of the players. I just thought it was amusing, I really wanted her to come in second (which she did, unfortunately I wasn't first!).
Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:58 am GMT by mindgame
Card frustration can be grindingly painful. I've been on about a month now of poor cards and good cards that don't hold up. A month of flopping straights that lose, sets that lose, aces getting cracked...wow, it is a drag, not to mention expensive. Just about every game I've played in October has had a 2 or 3 hour spell where I've one just one or two hands. I read that pros go through this, occasionally going on a 3 month dry run. It's hell, but I plug along.
Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:49 am GMT by Matt T
Hang in there, you know they'll come around. My dry spell came to an end about a month or so ago and October has been very good, not one losing session yet. But I really want to win a tournament. I've only won one. I'm always happy to cash but I want to win dammit! :x
Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:14 pm GMT by mindgame
Yeah, I know it'll end...but the first 3 weeks of September I was up about $3500, and I've given all but $1000 of that back. Just a bad run, but it wears you down emotionally and makes you vulnerable to all kinds of bad decisions, second-guessing...you name it. Sometimes I feel like I'm walking on eggs. Just came back from Reno and even dropped a couple hundred there--and that's not that hard a place to win at, IMO.
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