Posted Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:35 pm GMT by sp3tz
Last week I went to a local poker hall. The game was FL Holdem $1/$2 blinds. Now, I'm generally not much of a limit player but I decided to give this a shot. I sat down with $100 and folded for almost an hour to get a feel of the table(exlcuding premiums of course).
I left the place disgusted with only $80. In a 10 player table, 8 of the players were calling/betting stations. What would be the correct decision in situations like:
I got AK on the button. I raise the limit ($2) and just about everyone(except the one other tight player) calls. I miss the flop which comes out rainbow rags. I can't throw a big bet down because of the limit, so how long do I stay in hoping an A or K hits? I'd stay till the river if there was no re-raising going on. Hit nothing
I got dealt 10,10 and 9,9 on two occasions. I don't reraise but rather limp in in FL. Now if I hit my set I'm obviously raising and re-raising. But what if I don't? Flop comes out with no overcards. I bet $2, everyone calls. The turn is a Q. Now what? I folded thinking at least one of the 8 was holding a queen. Turned out 2 other guys had Qx. Was this the right play? Or should I have checked it out and bet when no overcards came. This one makes no sense to me, as the pot would be fairly small.
With my 10s, I raised preflop(a mistake). Flop came with no overcards. I bet, everyone calls. Turn is yet another rag. I bet and get called by 6. River is yet another rag, and no straight or flush possibilities. I bet, and get re-raised, so I call(with a sick feeling in my stomach that someone has 2 pair). Yep, the guy flips over a 39o. He caught his 9 on the river. This one annoys me to no end, because if this was no-limit there would be no chance in hell I'd let him see that last card. So what do you do in this case in FL?
Next hand I get dealt KK. Same situation as above only someone caught an Ace on the river.
Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong ? Because my "jam the pot with good hands" philosophy is biting me in the ass.
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Posted Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:02 am GMT by MasterShake
| sp3tz wrote: | Last week I went to a local poker hall. The game was FL Holdem $1/$2 blinds. Now, I'm generally not much of a limit player but I decided to give this a shot. I sat down with $100 and folded for almost an hour to get a feel of the table(exlcuding premiums of course).
I left the place disgusted with only $80. In a 10 player table, 8 of the players were calling/betting stations. What would be the correct decision in situations like:
I got AK on the button. I raise the limit ($2) and just about everyone(except the one other tight player) calls. I miss the flop which comes out rainbow rags. I can't throw a big bet down because of the limit, so how long do I stay in hoping an A or K hits? I'd stay till the river if there was no re-raising going on. Hit nothing |
Check/Fold the hand. You missed the flop completely and there are too many callers. Someone probably has two pair or trips or anything.
| Quote: | | I got dealt 10,10 and 9,9 on two occasions. I don't reraise but rather limp in in FL. Now if I hit my set I'm obviously raising and re-raising. But what if I don't? Flop comes out with no overcards. I bet $2, everyone calls. The turn is a Q. Now what? I folded thinking at least one of the 8 was holding a queen. Turned out 2 other guys had Qx. Was this the right play? Or should I have checked it out and bet when no overcards came. This one makes no sense to me, as the pot would be fairly small. |
No set not bet. If I was in late position pre-flop I might toss a raise out there. Then if you DO hit your set, you'll have all that extra money out there. Maybe you can even get some of the junk hands to fold like Ax, Kx or Qx. But if you missed the set, you gotta get out.
| Quote: | | With my 10s, I raised preflop(a mistake). Flop came with no overcards. I bet, everyone calls. Turn is yet another rag. I bet and get called by 6. River is yet another rag, and no straight or flush possibilities. I bet, and get re-raised, so I call(with a sick feeling in my stomach that someone has 2 pair). Yep, the guy flips over a 39o. He caught his 9 on the river. This one annoys me to no end, because if this was no-limit there would be no chance in hell I'd let him see that last card. So what do you do in this case in FL? |
You don't do anything. It's a 1/2 game. Those are the kinds of people that play in that game. If you play right, that 39o will pay you off in the long run, but you can't really play a 1/2 game and hope for quick results. The people playing 1/2 are the same people playing craps and blakjack. They want action and they don't care what it costs.
| Quote: | Next hand I get dealt KK. Same situation as above only someone caught an Ace on the river.
Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong ? Because my "jam the pot with good hands" philosophy is biting me in the ass. |
Your "jam the pot with good hands" philosophy isn't really compatible with super low limit poker. You're playing it pretty well, but you have to use pot odds AND implied odds to figure out what hands to stick with and what hands to ditch.
Posted Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:23 pm GMT by JonnyBoy
Good post meatwad.....
Posted Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:23 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
When you are playing low limit, people tend to do what the opener does. Check more, call more . . . watch the people behind you do what you do...One hand I played in a small stakes home game, I had a pair of aces with a k kicker...we were playing .5/.10 with a 3.00 betting limit. I started betting the limit, and a guy kept calling me. The board was q, 10, a, k, 10. I figured the guy had tens and queens when he called my 3 bucks, so I capped it again when the ten fell. He calls, and I'm thinking I'm boned, pocket kings, pocket tens, oh crap he's been sitting on a jack . . . and he turns over 5,6 off.
I asked him why he did that, and he says, "I thought you were bluffing."
And I'm like, "but . . . but...nevermind...."
Posted Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:01 pm GMT by sp3tz
Pot odds AND implied odds? Man, I'm bringing a coffee next time I go to this, that's alot of number crunching. This game is by no means fun, but the players are so clueless that its so hard to walk away from
Thanks for the tips meatwad!
Posted Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:44 am GMT by MasterShake
| sp3tz wrote: | Pot odds AND implied odds? Man, I'm bringing a coffee next time I go to this, that's alot of number crunching. This game is by no means fun, but the players are so clueless that its so hard to walk away from
Thanks for the tips meatwad! |
I love low limit hold em. None of my friends can stand it. They all want 'No limit, No limit!', which is fine until we go to the casino and I'm the only one making a profit. :D
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:30 am GMT by hookedupmonte
Meatwad im the same way i play 2-4, and make a steady profit everytime i go, where as they will win 500 then next to trips loose 300 each time. In low limit when the table is loose play tight, and when you hit your hand nail them. A few times with a loose table i will even tell the table my hand, only do it if its the nuts, and i will bet it, one hand i flopped a boat, just called the bet in front of me, had 6 people or so in, and on the turn i raised, saying i gotta raise with my boat, river is checked to me, and i say ill bet 4 with my boat, and all 5 people call, as i lay my cards on the table face up, and say ok who can beat my boat, they all muck. People will call you cause they think your lying, and the people turn over so much its easier to make a profit at 2-4 then no-limit. At the no limit table where i go its pretty much the same players and only 1-2 tables of it, where as 2-4 there are 3-4 tables when its slow and when its packed could be 10-15 or more 2-4 tables. But its a different mentality then no limit, u cant just raise with any pocket pair from any position, limit hold-em brings alot of factors, the key are your hand and starting position. Dont play med. connectors early, cause u have a chance of a raise, but playing them late, with less of a chance of a raise behind you. Also dont play big/little if u dont hit 2 pair youll get out kicked most of the time. Second size up your hand to what the nuts is, you have top pair, but there is a straight and flush on board, now your hand dont look so great. Limit hold-em, you will see alot of straights flushes, and boats. cause when the flop is 7-7-2, sure as hell someone played 7-2 cause they were suited. Yes i ramble on change subject alot but i hope you can kinda get the idea that even though they are both Hold-em, they are totally different limit and no-limit.
Also reading your post, it seems to me you have trouble reading the board. with your pocket 10s, you stated as below the flop was all under cards, and the turn and river where rags also which means 5 cards under 10 yet no flush or straight possibility. Impossible i say, if the highest card is a 9 then there is a possible straight on board. Also in low-limit holdem it isnt worth betting a PP,unless u hit a set. Cause a PP will never win on its own with out hitting a set or better in limit someone will catch 2 pair, or if the board pairs they have trips. """ With my 10s, I raised preflop(a mistake). Flop came with no overcards. I bet, everyone calls. Turn is yet another rag. I bet and get called by 6. River is yet another rag, and no straight or flush possibilities. I bet, and get re-raised, so I call(with a sick feeling in my stomach that someone has 2 pair). Yep, the guy flips over a 39o. He caught his 9 on the river. This one annoys me to no end, because if this was no-limit there would be no chance in hell I'd let him see that last card. So what do you do in this case in FL?"""
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:14 pm GMT by JunkyardGod
my only advice would be to move up in limits. I've had less things to complain about other than bad cards since i've started sitting at 3/6 limit tables. People are more inclined to fold their inside straight draw when they have a 12 dollar bet to make.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:22 pm GMT by ilikepoker
| MasterShake wrote: | | sp3tz wrote: |
I got AK on the button. I raise the limit ($2) and just about everyone(except the one other tight player) calls. I miss the flop which comes out rainbow rags. I can't throw a big bet down because of the limit, so how long do I stay in hoping an A or K hits? I'd stay till the river if there was no re-raising going on. Hit nothing |
Check/Fold the hand. You missed the flop completely and there are too many callers. Someone probably has two pair or trips or anything.
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Interesting note about this one. I am just going through supersystem and Doyle interestingly enough explains why he prefers A-K to A-A or K-K. He says it (A-K) is hand that he will win more with and lose less. The reason is demonstrated perfectly in that situation. He says if he hits the A-K on the flop, there will be a good chance there will be at least one less card for someone to make a straight with. ie flop comes A-7-8 or K-4-6. And when it doesnt hit, it is much easier to let it go. Alternitavely, he explains, with AA or KK with a flop like 3-5-7 or 5-8-9, where you don't have to hit your hand to feel committed, there is one more card on the board that will help someones straight or staright draw. I hope I explained his theory doing it justice.
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