Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:45 am GMT by Ry Guy
I was woundering? How many chips should go in a stack. I was thinking more like 20 be cause my hands arn't the biggest, nore the model of Dexterity and Grace so chip tricks are pretty much out for me, but chip tricks and the lack of skill and grace doesn't stop me from playing the game.
I've noticed that most of the players keep their chips pretty well stacked and do well at quickly adding up just how much they got from a stack glance. I just have to pretty much keep track of my bets and winnings but that becomes a hassle after so many hands and what not.
Whats the standard on chip stacking? I mean how many chips high should I stack? is there an easier way to count my chips then just stacking them and then counting the stacks timesing their stack value to how many stacks I got of X color?
I know that this is probly gonna get a few remarks on my newbieness and all. but i really would like to learn the tricks of the trade so long as my short stubbie fingers don't have to move quickly and what not.
god I feel like and old man complaining about the old war scars and trick knee. Why back in my day all the old men did that. Up hill, both ways, no shoes, in the middle of a blizzard...
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Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:31 am GMT by Kid Krow
My self, I stack them like 20 just remember a stack of 20 red = 200 in cash or the like depending on the Denom. and what not, and count them based on that. I run the total up in my head till I get to the odd amount of chips and just figure those out unless I know their exact value. I usaly take the odd chips out and stach them all togather and just use those to bet where I can. these are the chips I play with at the table. and as far as chip tricks go their nice if you can do them but not really a must. people are more intimidated by stone cold killer players and hardly notice how well they can manipulate their chips in an odd sort of way. in fact, since the game of poker is more of a waiting game, I see chip trick more as a way to entertain your self then a show of skill. Wanna show you skill at the table? Learn how to win more often then not. Read, play, read, and play some more. and watch and play aginst other players who are better then you. In the long run you'll make more from the knowledge gained from them further on down the line. anyone wanna disagree with me?..
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:06 am GMT by lopez17
I agree with Krow. How many times do you see a guy like "Action" Dan Harrington doing chip tricks at the table? He's using his time to study you and then scare the hell out of you with a check-raise or by going all in with a 2-7 os. When it comes down to it, I'd rather spend time learning to master the skills that Dan has than say a Dutch Boyd. Because in the end, a bad call is still a bad call regardless of whether you can shuffle chips. Most people I know do it because it looks neat or passes time as opposed to doing it for intimidation.
Just my $.02 :D
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:27 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Stacking chips is pure preference, and should be what you feel confortable with and how you keep track of how many chips you have.
Some players, Uncly Howie for example, like to build massive towers of chips, 50 high or so. This can look quite intimidating, until you accidentally knock one of the towers over 
Others like to build walls of chips, many stacks of 20 for example. This can look intimidating if you have a lot of chips also.
I have also seen 1 player, i forget his name, but it was in world heads up championship, who stacked his chips 5 high, so he had a kind of sea of chips stretching about 1/4 the length of the table. I don't see why he would do this tho, other than, this is the way he felt comfortable keeping track of his chips.
However you stack them, do it for your own purposes, but most of all, just stack LOTS of them
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:40 pm GMT by Expunge
| Kid Krow wrote: | | My self, I stack them like 20 just remember a stack of 20 red = 200 in cash or the like depending on the Denom. and what not, and count them based on that. I run the total up in my head till I get to the odd amount of chips and just figure those out unless I know their exact value. I usaly take the odd chips out and stach them all togather and just use those to bet where I can. these are the chips I play with at the table. and as far as chip tricks go their nice if you can do them but not really a must. people are more intimidated by stone cold killer players and hardly notice how well they can manipulate their chips in an odd sort of way. in fact, since the game of poker is more of a waiting game, I see chip trick more as a way to entertain your self then a show of skill. Wanna show you skill at the table? Learn how to win more often then not. Read, play, read, and play some more. and watch and play aginst other players who are better then you. In the long run you'll make more from the knowledge gained from them further on down the line. anyone wanna disagree with me?.. |
Reds worth 10 in your game?
I think the most common is stacks of 20.
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:35 pm GMT by warewulf619
| Kid Krow wrote: | My self, I stack them like 20 just remember a stack of 20 red = 200 in cash or the like depending on the Denom.
I see chip trick more as a way to entertain your self then a show of skill. Wanna show you skill at the table? Learn how to win more often then not. Read, play, read, and play some more. and watch and play aginst other players who are better then you. In the long run you'll make more from the knowledge gained from them further on down the line. anyone wanna disagree with me?.. |
I totally agree -- chip tricks are totally unnecessary. I think it's a distraction. Plus, if you're shuffling your chips during play someone might be able to read you -- shuffle a certain way when you have a good hand, another way when you're on the come, another when bluffing. The best thing to pick up is to be completely still and don't move or look at your opponent AT ALL. If you can master doing the exact same thing regardless of your strength, that is what is important. Watch Chris Moneymaker -- he sits there like a rock, doesn't move at all. This is what I try to do. Stare straight down at the table. Don't let them get a read on you at all. I don't know how to shuffle chips and don't intend to learn. You might be busy shuffling (even when you're not playing) and miss something that might help you later.
Stacks -- Stacks of 20 are good, depends on the chips also. Some crappy chips aren't stable in a stack of 20. Chipco and many other higher quality are stable with a stack of 40. Only important thing is to be able to keep track easily and quickly. When I'm on a rush, I mess up my stacks into an un-organized pile. I don't count anything until the rush is over. I do this so that I don't realize how much I have, just that I'm rushing. If I know exactly how much I have I might tighten up instead of continuing the rush. When things slow down, I'll check to see how much I made.
warewulf
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:53 pm GMT by Iron Butt
The only rule (yes, it's actually a rule in some tournaments etc.) I know of re chip stacking is that you're supposed to keep your high-value chips visible to the other players, this gives them some idea who they're messing with.
I usually just stack my chips so that I have a pretty good idea how much I have at a glance without having to count.
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:38 pm GMT by ashVID
Dont dismiss tricks so quick.... It can often be a big advantage with people you dont know. I can do a couple decent tricks and I know I have gotten people to lay down hands because of it. The more familiar the less it matters but when I play with strangers and start shuffling 30-40 chips, they take notice.
You can use tricks to your advantage. I can pretty regularly drop a chip on the table upright and have it bounce on to a stack of 10-20 chips. When I am in a situation where I KNOW I am going to call I feign weakness or indecision and say, if I can drop this chip and it land on this pile, I will call. Sometimes when I get caught trying to steal I will do the same thing and intentionally miss...
ash =o)
Posted Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:04 pm GMT by Cyberhwk
The way people stack chips I believe is likely rife with tells. I've seen people stack their chips hastly and when the next hand comes they will not bother to even them out with the rest of their stack. THis tells you that they plan on betting. What would the point of stacking them be if you are just going to unstack them to bet right away. People that keep neat stacks are likely very calculated while people that keep unorganized stacks tend to be more agressive or wild.
| Quote: | | Posted by: Ry GuyI was woundering? How many chips should go in a stack. |
Casinos stack all their chips in stacks of 20 chips. It's called a "tube." In addition to being convienant that 5 stacks will always equal 100 chips, this also gives you some nice round numbers so you can calculate your total amount at a glance ...
$.5 X 20 = $10 stacks.
$1 X 20 = $20 stacks.
$5 X 20 = $100 stacks.
$25 X 20 = $500 stacks.
$100 X 20 = $2,000 stacks.
| Quote: | | Posted by: warewolf619Only important thing is to be able to keep track easily and quickly. When I'm on a rush, I mess up my stacks into an un-organized pile. |
Two things...
As I mentioned it above, keeping them in rows of 5 stacks of 20 makes it very easy to see how much you have at a glance. Playing 2/3 every row is going to be $100.
Second, many people see the un-organized pile as a tell. You say you might tighten up, won't your un-organized piles then be a tell that you're playing loose? I'm just saying that's something to watch out for.
| Quote: | | Posted by: ashVIDThe more familiar the less it matters but when I play with strangers and start shuffling 30-40 chips, they take notice. |
I must admit...shuffling two stacks of 20 chips each is pretty impressive.
Posted Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:01 am GMT by Kid Krow
| Expunge wrote: | | Kid Krow wrote: | | My self, I stack them like 20 just remember a stack of 20 red = 200 in cash or the like depending on the Denom. |
Reds worth 10 in your game?
I think the most common is stacks of 20. |
Really, no. Reds are 100 in my game but as an example I used the red as 10 to keep a nicely round number 20 chips times 10 and all...
I think the Basic idea here is to keep your chips so that you know how much is there and F*ck anyone else trying to figure out your system. If they can figure it out on their own, those are the people you want to play with. The dumber they are, the more you'll make.
Also, I haven't discounted chip tricks. I do one chip trick. the basic 20 chip shuffle. this is the only one I've bothered to learn. and I do this well enough that I can do it with out looking down at my hands.
I do this trick out of force of habit and have not noticed any diffrence were I choose to do it or not. In fact I tend not to notice when I am doing it. Oxymoron I guess by saying "when I choose to or not."
all I'm saying if if you can do the tricks, more power to ya. if not don't trip it not all the great in terms of poker. poker is how ever a game of people, or card, playing people. You really want to play the players minds rather then the cards. The cards just tell you what possable chance you have to win and how to proceed to a point. the way i look at it and have been quite seccessful at, the cards don't really matter till the show down, know your cards always but they still don't really matter.
Further more work on your reading skills. know your opponits cards as well as your own.
anyways I and a few other here could talk shop allday and be as happy as clams about it. So I'll cut my self short at that.
Posted Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:09 am GMT by Ry guy
Thanks guys. thats actualy helps alot.
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