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Posted Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:46 pm GMT by mindgame
Played the other night and landed on the the hottest twenty minutes of my life, going from -140 down to 755 up in about 12 hands. Yes...this is great...it's what we all daydream about.
But...I played the next hour very cautiously, basically tight as a rock. Didn't see many flops at all and never hit enough to stay for a turn card. Okay...so far so good, I suppose. But as I continued I noticed that I was really off my game. I'd lost the killer instinct...just didn't want to be aggressive if there was any risk at all. Instead of playing winning, aggressive poker I was totally playing not to lose. I took a break, got up for coffee and some fresh air and I realized I just wasn't in my game anymore...it was as though I'd lost my feel for it.
Well I did the smart thing, considering the situation; racked up, cashed out, and left--but it was barely 10pm and I'd only been in the room for a couple hours. The last thing I think I should be doing on a great night is heading home! Anyone notice this in their own games after a rush? This is isn't tilt, but it's almost like "anti-tilt." It's certainly not anything that I'd call winning poker. I stay tough even when the chips are down, but I've never hit a streak like that and it really rattled me.
Thoughts, guys?
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Posted Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:02 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
This is a great point and i'd say you did the right thing.
you rushed and made $900 within 12 hands, this is an exceptional spell, it's no wonder you felt light headed after it. Think about it, if this hadn't happened and you had played solid poker for 6 more hours, you would certainly have been "in" your game. you would have had to fight tooth and nail for every pot but how the hell are you supposed to do that after a rush like that?
Somehow it is so unreal you lose perspective. i myself and many others i have seen lose it after a rush like that, whatever it is, whether it's the cards evening out, or it's some subconsious change in our game, i have seen it time after time.
You did the best thing possible, you walked away!
Now next time you go back you can take your usual buy in aand start over, you won't have that little demon on your shoulder saying "ah go on, one more card, we're well ahead, we can afford it!" 
Now, if next time you go back you do it again.......... maybe you're just a poker genius and you should stay 
way to go mind and gl for next time.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:36 am GMT by Nut Flush
I agree with Webby, if you won because of the great cards you were getting during your rush, it's time to pack up and go home a winner.
However, if you won because the rest of the table sucked and you outplayed them every hand, then I'd stay and take more money.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:04 am GMT by Dave B
Tough call, when I get a big stack and am on a rush I like to try and go for the kill. Others at the table will give you some pots when they know that you are going to push and raise preflop all the way to the river. It is possible to turn that 700 into 1400. However, if I slip back to +500-600, then I tighten back up. What were you playing 10/20 or 5/10?
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:17 pm GMT by mindgame
Playing 10/20. I imagine if you had a rush like that at a 5/10 there have to be so many idiots at the table throwing money at you that you couldn't afford to leave!
It was just such an odd thing. Yes, I was getting great cards, but I wasn't taking down hand after hand on monsters. It's just that my premium hands kept hitting just enough...the A10s on the button flopping 2pr and holding up, the flush draw turning into a straight draw on the turn (15 outs and semi-bluff raising) and hitting the straight on the river...the middle pair hitting a set on the flop  ...but never getting drawn out or rivered. I was playing well and getting paid off, hitting a couple 1/2 kill pots that had turned up the stakes to 15/30.
Thing is I really felt I was the top player at the table. I should have gone after them like a tiger...and I got some cold feet. I REALLY didn't want to go on a cold streak and give that $$$$$$$$$$ back on a couple hours of bad cards or tough draws. I gave the game a chance though, damn near for an hour, and I wasn't going at anything without a Group 1 or 2 hand. Then if I missed the flop--Bingo I was getting away from that hand. Dropped one hand with pocket queens when a K flopped and a guy bet it...and the queens would have taken it down. Now and then I'll see the turn with that hand as long as it's one bet....sometimes I'll raise the K to get a feel for the guy's hand. But I never even thought twice about mucking the babes.
I went with my gut and bailed. My whole attitude had shifted and I knew I wasn't playing sharp poker. But you wonder...you want one of those $1400-$2000 nights. You bolt on a good start how you ever going to pull it off?
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:07 pm GMT by flafishy
Never had a run like that, but what I'll do when I catch myself changing my game after a particularly good run -- or a bad one, for that matter -- is get up, cash everything in except my usual starting stake, walk around a little bit, and then go sit down and basically start all over.
No need to quit for the night, just take a break to clear your head (and your stack).
I have the opposite reaction to a run as you did. I get way too aggressive after a good run, but I catch myself getting way too tight (playing scared) on the heels of a bad run.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:09 pm GMT by mindgame
I like that...take a break, cash in and re-buy. I'll give that a try next time, then if I'm still off my game I'll split. Either way that big stash is safe
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:27 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I agree with fishy. Pocket the cash and keep playing. Even if you go on a bad run you've already banked your winnings and will still walk away up on the night.
I did this in AC a few weeks ago. I won $500 on Let it Ride (Talk about a run of cards! I couldn't lose. :D ). I sat down at the poker table with $200 of my profit. At that point I had nothing to lose. It was fun. I played for 20 hours straight and, if it hadn't been for big slick suited on my last hand, I'd have walked away with another $300. As it was, I was still up at the end of the evening and I had a great deal of fun. What a great price for 20 hours of entertainment.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:33 pm GMT by mindgame
Hey, congrats on a great job in AC. Meant to post this earlier. Always love to hear what you're up to.
But 20 hours staight? That's serious stamina. The mind boggles. Since it is a male mind, we'll not explore all that boggling too deeply. How in the devil do you stay so beautiful on no sleep?
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:01 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | But 20 hours staight? That's serious stamina. |
That's what I call it too, but some have termed it "addiction". Like a great mind (on this forum) once said....."poker is a hobby, like drinking or smoking."
I only got up to eat once. Then I forgot all about food because I didn't want to miss a hand, especially with all the dead money at the table most of the time I was there.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:03 am GMT by mindgame
You got it bad, hon.
It's one of the things I love about you.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:04 am GMT by ballbp
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Like a great mind (on this forum) once said....."poker is a hobby, like drinking or smoking." |
Those were the days I could actually come up with something witty.  Oh yeah, glad to see back around BeerWench.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:51 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Oh yeah, glad to see back around BeerWench. |
Thanks. My boss fired my help at work so I've actually been having to work while I'm here. :x Of course, when I'm at home I'm playing online and since I have horrible dial-up having too many windows open slows everything down. I plan on getting on here much more once I get things caught up around the office. Thanks for noticing I was gone though. 
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:57 am GMT by mindgame
"Thanks for noticing I was gone."
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Would we notice the sun didn't come up this morning? That someone drained the ocean? That laughter on the planet had suddenly ceased? We LOVE you here.
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